There is no need for the flame wars between wii and ps3 fans about graphics. Anyone who attended e3 and played wii can not be in any doubt that wii offers stunning graphics that are a marked improvement over the gamecube. As i have said before, the graphics shown at the pre-show press conference do not do the console justice.
Now, which games did sony have on the showfloor up and running? Consider heavenly sword. It looks great, but the draw distance is very low, since all is contained within a narrow arena. Consider gta hd. It is a great game, i am sure. But try to compare it to gt4 and you will see only small improvements. Sure, eight days or lair or assassins creed look very promising. But they wont be launching until 2007. The launch titles will look good, but they will not be visually stunning.
So, as far as the first generation games are concerned, wii can more than hold its own against the ps3. The graphics of games like mp3 or red steel really do make me say wow.
Also, here is some more rumour-mongering, courtesy of nbc. In their wall street journal show, they just stated that wii will launc in november for $250. I emailed them, asking them how they come to know this. I will publish their reply as soon as i get it, right here, of course.
Finally, some people were still wondering what system wii games were running on. I have said this before: all 27 games were running on the actual console. No dev kits were necessary.
Nintendo really stole the show. But dont just take my word for it. Read reports by the bbc and time magazine and see what they have had to say:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4767807.stm
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1191861-1,00.html
Summarizing all this, nintendo had a great show. Sony, by comparison, has a long way to go in convincing gamers why thy should fork out an extra one or twohundred dollars to buy the ps3 rather than te xbox360 (which also had a pretty solid showing this year). In the end, sony has everything riding on the blu ray ticket. Superior graphics are NOT the relevant factor here. Certainly not in comparison to the xbox360. But neither in comparison to wii. Before you doubt my words, play and see for yourself.
116 comments:
"play and see for yourself."
Why must you mock me? ;p
Is it confirmed that all games were running on actual hardware? Other sites/forums are reporting that almost all games shown were running och dev kits and that the final kits have yet to reach most developers or that they're not finalised yet.
That the "wii can more than hold it's own against the ps3" might be overstating it. Graphics-wise I think it's fair to say that the PS3 will trump the Wii by a good margin. Considering what UT2007 looks like, for example, I'd think anyone would be hard pressed to find anything similar on the Wii. Whether or not graphics matter though is an entirely different question.
Yes, consider UT2007. A game whose framerate will take a nosedive everytime 3 or more enemies appears on-screen impresses neither me nor Joe Public. HD is NOT WORTH ANOTHER GENERATION OF FRAMERATE PROBLEMS FROM MS AND SONY. PERIOD.
Oh and to all of you who believe there is a chance Nitendo will publish games for PS4 or Xbox 720, WAKE UP!!
The DS makes more PROFIT every 5 seconds then the Xboxes have in the LAST 5 YEARS.
THAT IS MATHEMATICAL FACT. MICROSOFT HAS YET TO MAKE ONE RED CENT OF PROFIT FROM XBOX AND PS3/PSP ARE JUST AS BAD FOR SONY.
NINTENDO IS LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK AND THE CONSOLES AND PORTABLES WILL FLOW LIKE WINE FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
ials... dude... you're totally losing it man. pull it together. these long-winded posts about graphics are ridiculous. the graphics look great already and will look even better in the near future, man. take it easy. chill out. everything is fine.
look at the buzz surrounding wii! it's incredible.
thanks for the great posts lately, falafelkid! tell me man, whats up with the last hardware secrets 0:)
oh, and, yeah... thanks to whomever posted that picture of Wii's powercord... it's quite obvious that it is *not* plugged in to the stand in that picture. apparently my "follow the black cord" buddy was just fucking with my head ;) it's pretty easy to do.
-"superfan" tactics.
"PS3 will trump the Wii by a good margin"
Sure it will....later. At launch I think Nintendo will have more polished games and just more selection than PS3.
A good start is all Nintendo needs to get to the mass market, and after that Sony is going to be playing catch up to Microsoft and Nintendo.
$399.99 is one thing, but I think people are going to be saying "wait just a darn minute now" when they see that $599.99 price.
Sony's president even said that selling the system at that price is still too cheap. Lots of money lost per system sold.
Ouch
"Yes, consider UT2007. A game whose framerate will take a nosedive everytime 3 or more enemies appears on-screen impresses neither me nor Joe Public."
I very much doubt that. GoW, also running on the Unreal 3 engine, seems to be doing just fine in that regard. UT2007 will do just as well. Not that it matters either way, graphics are not the be-all-end-all of video games.
"PS3 will trump the Wii by a good margin"
I was refering to the graphics when I quoted that.
PS3 will not trump the Wii in sales, its going to be the other way around.
"Sure it will....later. At launch I think Nintendo will have more polished games and just more selection than PS3. "
_GRAPHICS_ wise? No, it already has trumped the Wii. My comment was directed at Falafelkids sentiment that the Wii could hold it's own agains the PS3, graphics wise. Unless something revolutionary happens in the coming 3 months that won't happen. That's not to say that the games for Wii won't look good - they will. But they won't compete with the PS3 or X360 - GRAPHICS wise.
Other than that, I agree for the most part.
"I was refering to the graphics when I quoted that."
Too late :)
Unreal Engine 3 ---
Too Human @ gamespot:
"The frame rate in the build we played definitely could use some work, though,"
Gears of War @ ign:
"There were plenty of times when Gears slowed down when there was a lot of action on screen,"
You graphics whores love to pretend these problems don't exist but they are all too noticeable and I for one am sick of them.
Epic doesn't want to bring Unreal Engine 3 to Wii; GOOD, they can keep it. Great screenshots; realtime video not soo much.
some reports say other wise.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100631&highlight=dev+kit
also look at this shoot :
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/276/bscap00018in.jpg
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/1658/bscap00007dl.jpg
Its great to know that the BBC and Time magazine cover this too, gets all the info out to a wider audience.
I guess games graphic-wise can only be judged if you were there (E3) to see them with your own eyes. Still, it seems N have managed to pull off this true 3D control scheme very well so here's hoping all involved 3rd parties manage the same and the rest of the industry will, yet again be playing catch-up with N. I too have a sneaking suspicion this method of input will become an industry standard.
Is it true Fal that SNK have confirmed that Wii will be their primary platform?
it's strange to me that people are complaining about "an slightly updated gamecube with a new controller"...where-as the same people seem to be ignoring the fact that the PS3 is merely a slightly updated PS3 with better graphics.
the nes to the snes was a giant leap, as was snes to n64/psx. psx to ps2/xbox was substantial...but can we say the same about ps2/xbox to ps3/xbox360. hardly! Now, a jump from ps2/xbox/gamecube to wii...most definately. graphics-wise? probably not...but on every other level, sure!
Graphics are important...i'm no doubt aware of that as many people are. But what happens when the graphics become the best they possibly can be? there can only be 9 playstations right (you've seen that commercial years ago, i hope? *note, i'm trying to be funny* note#2: i'm not very funny*) What else can people fall back on.
I've come to this blog every day since the week before e3 '05...and this is my first post. even registered with blogger to make it more official-like. Fal, keep up the excellent work.
where-as the same people seem to be ignoring the fact that the PS3 is merely a slightly updated PS3 with better graphics.
that should read: PS3 is merely a slightly updated PS2 with better graphics.
see...this is why i don't post!
lol
lol
I would contest the above statement. The PS3 is a little more than a "slightly" updated PS2. Sony has had two successes in the video games industry, and they are pulling out all of the stops on this one. The PS3 represents a leap at which a video game system has the potential to be even more powerful than the average consumer pc. There is a lot of bleeding edge technology in there.
All I can say is whats for the final product. Sony are too good at stretching the truth and manipulating peoples minds.
Until I see UT2007 running on a PS3 infront of my own eyes it is nothing but a mere showcase.
At least Wii games look more developed; ie Mario Galaxy.
Hey Falafel I had a couple of questions. First of all IGN's bozon stated that the pointing with the revmote (or wiimote) didn't work very well. Is this true? and if so does it work for metroid?
Also how about the great AI I heard so much about in red steel is it as good als they told us?
And finaly what wiigame is your favorite of the show?
The Wii consoles which stand next to the TVs weren't the real units. Underneath there were dev kits, although some Nintendo reps stated the Gegenteil ;)
They were developer kits Falafelkid.
Anyhow I am going to play my Xbox 360 and enjoy the great games it has. If the Wii comes in at $149 I would pick it up. Anything over that is just not worth it from a console that doesnt look on par with the original Xbox.
devkits, huh? not the real machines? falafelkid... can you confirm this dude?
-"superfan" tactics.
pablos at it again.
http://rapidshare.de/files/
20471600/N3ON.zip.html
i didnt need the paper, pen, and scissors. i just crossed my eyes.
"Anonymous said...
They were developer kits Falafelkid.
Anyhow I am going to play my Xbox 360 and enjoy the great games it has. If the Wii comes in at $149 I would pick it up. Anything over that is just not worth it from a console that doesnt look on par with the original Xbox. "
Check some HIRES (I cant stress this enough!)movies from Sonic Wildfire, Mario galaxy, Excitetruck or Project Hammer and come back...they look awesome and definitily beyond what the original Xbox can pull out. 2-3 times better than Cube means also 2-3 times better than xbox...
seems everyone is jumping on the "they were devkits" bandwagon... even rawmeatcowboy (although he clearly states that it's a rumor)...
know how *i* know they were running on devkits and 'cubes? did you see any games at e3 in stereo3d? no? of course you didnt. the gpu is rumored to be still under construction. the games weren't running on wiis.
"you will say 'wow!'"
-"superfan" tactics.
...fool or not, i'm sticking to my guns on this one. it just makes way too much sense.
DUDE. pablos new video is fucking awesome. check it out you guys...
http://rapidshare.de/files/20471600/N3ON.zip.html
heh. NICE. good ol' pablo.
...you better not be full of shit pablo ;) we're counting on this! (okay, not "we're" as much as "i'm"... but still.)
-"superfan" tactics.
Someone needs to -confirm- the rumour about devkits being used, because thusfar there is no photographic or "offical" evidence (to my knowledge).
There is however, evidence that the press conference demos may have been played on GameCubes. Check out this photo here, and tell me what they look like on the ground there http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6126/media6vn.jpg
Fal, is there any way you can confirm or deny these rumour with prove? I mean, those GCs could have been backup units, for all we know. BOTH are running, and neither one has all 4 ports filled, so it's not exactly clear what their purpose is.
yes... please, falafelkid.
rawmeatcowboy over at gonintendo posted this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100631
-"superfan" tactics.
Cut the crap, there ain't no scret to unveil anymore.
Wii is great as it ism great graphics, great gameplay. Stop fooling yourself and others.
As a Nintendo fan I am extremely satisfied with everything Reggie and co showed.
really, anonymous at 10:26? i tend to disagree. (of course you do dummy, you're "superfan" tactics! you're the stupidest fool of them all!)
maybe.
but before you start flaming, hear out the conspiracy-theory-like plan WHICH I'VE FABRICATED:
makes perfect sense: unveil "wii" (by "wii" i mean, "what nintendo wants us to think wii is atm") and give sony a fake sense of accomplishment:
"so that's all nintendos got? those graphics blow, and our controller has motion-sensing too. so much for all the hype. internet boards are all ablaze with the same discontent about the graphics. their controller is nifty, but we'll just leverage the 'HD' moniker and put them below us."
this is exactly what they're thinking right now... know what i mean? seriously. everyone at e3 was *stoked* on the controller, but all had the same complaint: the graphics really didnt look super-great. so what will nintendo do? let us all think that "wii" is "it" for the next few months... and just before launch (maybe 4wks) come out of the blue with (flamers: pay attention, here comes your ammo!) "oh, yeah... we actually didn't tell you *shit* at e3: here's the *real* revolution: 4x GCN graphics, stereo3d, and tactile/force feedback. check out Red Steel NOW. oh, and here's a starwars first-person lightsaber game too. Wii launches one month from today."
watch.
just watch. ;)
-"superfan" tactics.
and what might THIS be?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Nalu/wiiluckan3.jpg
-"superfan" tactics.
I agree, also, Perrin Kaplin and Reggie Fills Aime BOTH said there were more HARDWARE secrets, in interveiw AND in video format. They had that...that LOOK on their face. Come one. Im not saying its 3-D, but Nintendo has been know to do DRAMATIC things...cough cough wii...cough cough remote...cough cough ISANITY! They said they would reveal secrets AFTER E3 until release. We wont know eveything about the Wii...until we own one. YOU HATERS ARE F~CKING LOSERS! You talk, but you don't know sh~t.
" Anonymous said...
and what might THIS be?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Nalu/wiiluckan3.jpg
-"superfan" tactics.
11:25 AM "
Actually those are the little nubs on the BOTTOM of the Wii when you set it on it's side.
Yes... But where is the revolution?
You must admit all that all this hype was totally a waste of time, and a load of crap.
Yeah, and by the way... Forget about all this "they'll show everything before launch or at TGG", thats just plain ignorant.
anon... looks to me as though they double as hinges...
-"superfan" tactics.
of course, raph... it's ignorant to think that they'll show everything about the console before it launches...
...what are you talking about, dude? they're gonna wait until *after* it launches to tell us everything? trippin, bro.
-"superfan" tactics.
at last somebody point it out! the most important Nintendo title of E3 was NOT RUNNING ON FINALIZED REVOLUTION HARDWARE. check the hyperlink, they snaped the gamecube that was running it, how sneaky of Nintendo. NOW go figure.
PLEASE TAKE A LOOK http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801
dead link you dummy. at least post a description of the clip content before posting, just so it is not frustrating.
~g-man
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
that link works...
in the future, g-man, try simply double-clicking a link that seems to go over the end of the comment table, and it will highlight the whole link; then copy and paste.
it is an AWESOME video... however it doesn't relate to this blog or nintendo at all whatsoever: it's the "Loose Change 9/11" video. i defiantely recommend it to those who haven't seen it, but again, it's not nintendo-related at all.
-"superfan" tactics.
THAT VIDEO IS OFF TOPIC BUT INETRESTING
To falafelkid,
http://cube.ign.com/articles/425/425210p1.html
Now that Super Mario Galaxy has been unveiled (and since you had hands-on play time with it), I'm just curious to know, what was the "new idea" which miyamoto was so reluctant to share with us?
thanks in advance
You all must watch this. Nintendo has had us all brainwashed since E3 2005. Who remebers this promotion? I do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ilu8fKK_38
these is the SECRET of nintendo Wii(revolution), http://www.n-dimension.blogspot.com/
Wii disc ejectionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYNZ90kB2wk&eurl=
this link:
mostly rips Wii... pretty fucking annoying... but the very last paragraph says this:
"I personally drilled a Nintendo® rep (while waiting for him to fix a Wiimote for the Tennis demo) about what was under the flap on the front of the console (any 3D projection in there?), after dodging like a Jedi knight and acting like he didn't hear me several times he got very nervous and finally said "I can't talk about it or I will get fired"."
how's that sound?
-"superfan" tactics.
gah... i always do that.
THIS link:
http://www.xgaming.com/newsletter/Wii%20Dupe.shtml
-"superfan" tactics.
@ "superfan" tactics
Would like to know if the guy who wrote this is right.
And what's up with this Pixart MOT sensor???
Maybe Mr. Falafelkid can help us with some insightful commenting...
HEY, HERR GARBE. ARE YOU HERE?
(Hm, maybe he's KO from E3 and jetting around half the world...)
www.freewebs.com/wii-revolution
sign my guest book and tell me what you think!!
superuser:
my guess is that they're working with pixart to further simplify and tighten the control mechanisms of the conrollers... so that we dont see any more problems like we've seen with "red steel" i'd bet... i don't know for sure though.
-"superfan" tactics.
@ "superfan"
I think you have a point there when you talked about what muíght
happrend when its near the street date for Wii .
I admit that I had hoped for more from E3 this year. Although I'm not dissapointed at the graphics specifally but still I had hoped for som kind of facinated tech that would make the wii concole very unique amongs its rivals.
So now when read your input I would like to chare mine.
Well. Wouldn't it be naive to just say that all we have seen so far gonna be a wii console with a little better graphics with a unique remote/controler? Ok we know thats more "secrets" to come. But one thing came up on my mind.
what if, Nintendo realy have some unique display or graphics technologies. But they rather watch us gamers (customers), generaly and via the E3, on how "we" take "their" version of the Wii console.
Coz, if "we" shoose not to accept it (but we all did it) Nintendo maybe later be showing another version of Wii, only now with more advance technology i.e 3d display ect.
Coz if customers still like and accepted what they has been shown (E3), Nintendo wouldn't have to shell out money of something that might not be worth it for the time being. (cut cost)
And as in my previously posts, I think that Nintendo will bring this Revolution to us in form of:
1. Introducing the concept (wiiMote/the DS).
2. Introducing the medium (Wii24Connect)
3. Possibly system upgrades in form of 3d display for both Wii and the DS/GB add-on or a new concole with obove added features (maybe 3-5 years from now)
/M
/M:
i feel like you're close, but a little off-base. the way i see it is this: nintendo *knew* that sony would copy the controller, or at least try to. there are many ways sony can copy it, or at least *some* of it's functionality, before launch. nintendo knows people are always copying them... it's been happening for many years. so what did they do? they were very secretive... but they showed the controller months ago... *knowing* sony would have enough time to copy it, right?
makes no sense. what else is so revolutionary about the console? wiiconnect24? please. it sounds interesting, but that's not even something sony/ms *could* copy if they *wanted* to. their consoles (fuckin supercomputers) simply use too much power and make too much noise for it to be practical.
so what else is revolutionary? the price? whatever. 200$ is the price at which nintendo *ALWAYS* launches consoles. that's meaningless.
so what else is revolutionary? ...
...
wait... what could sony copy... hmm.
oh yeah, that's right. nothing.
there is something else big in store for us. no question. otherwise, what would Wii be? the controller only?
this *could've* been a possibility, except for one thing: nintendo has given the competitors PLENTY OF TIME to copy it. i understand that it took nintendo 4 years to develop it to this level of accuracy/etc, but look who their competitors are these days. two of the biggest electronics corporations on earth. they will be able to copy the controller MUCH faster than it took nintendo to invent it - no question. shit, all they have to do is steal a Wii-mote, buy an "accelerometer" company, hand it over, and wait. they dont even have to do anything.
nintendo has something else big. they simply *have* to. 1 year from now, when MS and Sony both have their own versions of Wii's controller, along with "core package" price drops, then what? nintendo is in the same boat the were in with gamecube - their only advantage being their awesome IPs.
nintendo is not stupid.
"you will say 'wow!'"
-"superfan" tactics.
SPORE IS COMING....TO THE WII!!!!
I agree with the last anonymous that "superfag" is an idiot. At this late stage in the game, you still think Nintendo has some trump card up it's sleeve? It's only been printed in every mainstream article that the Wii's differentiating feature is the controller. Nintendo's only been saying it since last December. But you, Pitakid, Osoko, and the rest of your ilk keep holding on to illogical assumptions. Yeah, you're right. Nintendo's secretly holding back a holographic disc player, an array of 1080p projectors that will project 360 degrees, an exclusive version of Metal Gear 5, GTA 5, and it will all cost $150. I had to break my NDA because you guys are just too smart.
iagree with the last anonymous that "superfag" is an idiot. At this late stage in the game, you still think Nintendo has some trump card up it's sleeve? It's only been printed in every mainstream article that the Wii's differentiating feature is the controller. Nintendo's only been saying it since last December. But you, Pitakid, Osoko, and the rest of your ilk keep holding on to illogical assumptions. Yeah, you're right. Nintendo's secretly holding back a holographic disc player, an array of 1080p projectors that will project 360 degrees, an exclusive version of Metal Gear 5, GTA 5, and it will all cost $150. I had to break my NDA because you guys are just too smart.- Anon.
Da.mn i thought it was gonna be only $100.
Btw you remind me of something to do with Special olympics and arguing over the internet. Can't quite put my finger on it.
I wonder what the definition of the word speculation is?
F*** off anon.Why waste your time on a site you obviously don't like????
All I know is nintendo alway sale at $200.
And Wiimode isn't that expensive. fact it's have only one analog. Also other device isn't as expensive as you think.
So wait for TGS and decide on nintendo's deal. If you like it buy it. If not byebye.
Its funny that Perrin Caplin AND Reggie Fills Aime BOTH said that there were secrets still to be revealed. Also what was said in a VIDEO INTERVIEW by Reggie that they would only let out a little at E3 and slowly release info until the release day. Wii won't know all about the Wii until we own one ourselves. Oh yeah, one more thing, Perrin said one secret still had to do with the HARDWARE. Quit hattin loser and go moan on the PS3 forums about the price.
nintendo is still hinting at the secret, you must remember E3 trailers, specifically the Rayman one, i´m pretty sure those butterflies, and laser beams across the room are a hint from nintendo. Mark my words,
And i agree with the anon above, if you don´t like Wii, you should start saving for your PS3,and get the f*** off Wii forums, this a SPECULATION SITE. There are plenty of WII-Haters forums, go to Joystiq, you´ll be a lot more comfortable
"superfag" huh? that's a new one. thanks a bunch.
you know, i don't understand people like you, "anonymous"... this is a "WII SPECULATION" website. i'm speculating. i'm having a lot of fun doing it, too, until someone like you comes along to rain on the parade. why don't you go somewhere else, please.
also, it's pretty lame that you put me and falafelkid on the same level. we're simply not. i'm a crazy conspiracy theorist, he is a journalist. simple.
...and that's nothing compared to putting either (or both) of us on the same level as "osoko tanaka"
he makes ridiculous *CLAIMS*
i share ridiculous *IDEAS* and *SPECULATE*. i am *NOT* an "insider" and have never ever claimed to be.
please, take your garbage somewhere else.
you know, i was just arguing about a few things with a sony fanboy at my friends import toy store, here in san jose, just yesterday, and after i left all i could think about was one thing: "jesus... that guy was aggressive!"
never have i been attacked over and over by sony fanboys. never have they been the ones to take the first shot. it's funny... it's like they're all of a sudden scared, now. they know they've lost the battle this time, and they're really really pissed.
i loved it. i decided right then-and-there, that when a sony fanboy starts to attack, i'm just going to let them from now on. i'll just let them say what they will, and stay quiet and confident.
that should piss them off.
-"superfan" tactics.
p.s. a big thank you to the guys stickin up for me.
@ "superfan" tactic
"jesus... that guy was aggressive!"
Why do people behave like this... It's only about games.
This seems to be guys of the sort who live in atomic-age but have still some kind of "Neandertal-Consciousness" - if you can't understand it then attack and destroy it (in the most brutal way) so it can't harm you.
At least I probably won't have to play online with them as they tend to use a PS or 360...
Let the speculations go on!
BTW, my DS Friendcodes:
Metroid Prime Hunters: 313602959186
Tetris: 587657288442
Mariokart: 021537320300
My name for WFC is Tom
So if someone likes to kick my ass... feel free to do so!
:)
I could not have said it better...
Let us be happy, let us speculate, let us dig our own graves, let us enjoy. Let us be entertain!
/M
@ El Informante
I think Nintendo will have more success with Wii than with gamecube, but what makes you speculate in this way? Is there something you know that you want to share with me/us...?
Falafelkid - Can you PLEASE, PLEASE send me your e-Mail address? It's important! If you don't wanna write it down here, then please send it to "shoxware@web.de"!
Thanks alot!
Hello, this is the first time I write here. First, thank you Falafelkid for this blog, I think it is the best one about Wii. Second, I follow http://www.revogamers.net/ for news and so; spanish site very well conducted, and good forums.
Third: guys, you think really that for 200$ or 250$ are we going to get 3D projection out-of-the-box? it would be very expensive, and against WII policy. The only thing under the flap is, perhaps, conectors. In the near future, for hardcore gamers as Kaplan said, could be released some kind of stereo-glasses, of lots of shells for the wiimote. But, in the release, nothing but a little beauty console will be released. Think about Nintendo exists to earn money, to make money, not to become reality our hottests dreams.
Fourth, I think many games were running on Gamecubes or dev kits. Specially Zelda. Nevertheless, Mario Galaxy had a very very good looking, very polished, perhaps this one runned on near-actual-hardware.
So wii'l wait to the road to TGS.
Julencin2000
julencin:
thanks for your opinion. i understand what you mean, but the one thing i can't come to understand is why people think that Wiis hardware costs anywhere near 200$ to manufacture.
accellerometers and the other parts of the wiimote are actually pretty cheap at the manufacturing level. the R&D for this technology wasn't cheap, that's for sure, but remember: all the time they were researching and developing wii's controller, they were paying it off with gameboy and DS profits. it's not like they're in debt from the controller.
the gamecube-based chip architecture couldn't cost all that much either... i mean, gamecubes sell for what, now? 60 bucks or some ridiculously cheap price?
i think revolutions GPU could easily be cheap to produce while using some type of technology to split images into 3d.
you guys should all get in on this post:
http://boards.ign.com/nintendo_wii_general_board/b8263/117722597/p1/?27
(and for those who dont know how to work long links on this board:)
http://boards.ign.com/nintendo_wi
i_general_board/b8263/117722597/p1/?27
-"superfan" tactics.
DS Lite in Europe: 23rd June
New Super Mario Bros: June 30th
http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?p=867
Are this news real?
If someone could confirm this... then go on!
Hello "superfan" tactics. What you say is right, but think about this: pricing a product is very very hard for an enterprise. It is all about marketing first, and about profit secondly: I mean, if you have in one hand a Maserati that costs 20.000$ and in the other the same Maserati but about 100.000$, even being the same, you're going to look with different eyes both, the quality feeling will be differet. It's emotional purchasing. That's why Daewoo in Europe has changed its name to Chevrolet: I have a microwave oven Daewoo... the image is everything. Branding. The name WII has been in research for months, don't doubt it guys. A coke is water and 1% flavour, but it doesn't sell at water price, because it has a corporate image to keep. With Sony at 600$, sure Nintendo will rise price in the beginnig: they have time to low it if doesn´t sell as good as they want.
Julencin2000
@ El Informante
"WHEN I TRY TO REMEMBER A FUN EXPERIENCE (NOT A GREAT GRAPHIC EXPERIENCE ONLY) NINTENDO ALWAYS POPS IN MY MIND"
That's also true for me. The only Non-Nintendo console I really loved (and own) is a original "Panasonic FZ-1 REAL 3DO". I hope Nintendo is going to bring the 3DO-games to it's Virtual Console - this would be sooo cool! I would love to play "Maddog McCree" and all the lightgun-shooters (I sadly never bought) to play with the Wiimote (if possible).
LISTEN TO ME NINTENDO: SUPPORT 3DO-GAMES - I WILL BUY THEM ALL!
mi amigo informante:
yeah, that rayman trailer is awesome...
i don't remember ever seeing another video game commercial where objects flew out of the screen like that in my whole life... i think it would be considered misleading advertisement, right? and what exactly did "grandpa" from the rayman commercial find so appealing about a fuckin rayman game? i mean, rayman is cool, i guess, but i just don't see where exactly the appeal was for grandpa aside from the 3d/immersive part.
*sigh* fuckin nintendo. they drive me crazy!!!
-"superfan" tactics.
yeah you 're right!
If I'm remeber correctly.
I've seen and read a few sentence from an copy of an licence contact between 3DO and Nintendo.
This was quite some time ago. But this might not have to do with Wii at all but possibility are always there went you mention 3DO on Wii
:)
..its good to see that people now underastand the bigger picture of what intendo are actually doing - business wise...
Bring in an Blue Ocean and leave the Red murky and old one behind!
/M
heh. "intendo". that's what i asked my "grampa" for, for xmas, in 1985 ;)
he went to the store, "i have no idea what it is, but i'm looking for 'intendo'"
hahaha... that's awesome.
-"superfan" tactics.
Hello "superfan" tactics. What you say is right, but think about this: pricing a product is very very hard for an enterprise. It is all about marketing first, and about profit secondly: I mean, if you have in one hand a Maserati that costs 20.000$ and in the other the same Maserati but about 100.000$, even being the same, you're going to look with different eyes both, the quality feeling will be differet. It's emotional purchasing. That's why Daewoo in Europe has changed its name to Chevrolet: I have a microwave oven Daewoo... the image is everything. Branding. The name WII has been in research for months, don't doubt it guys. A coke is water and 1% flavour, but it doesn't sell at water price, because it has a corporate image to keep. With Sony at 600$, sure Nintendo will rise price in the beginnig: they have time to low it if doesn´t sell as good as they want.
Julencin, you dont understand Blue Ocean Strategy properly then. Pricing strategy was not highly covered but to impliment pricing in BOS your product/service needs to be priced at a price so it CANNOT be copied/immitated/duplicated by other companies therefore avoiding a Red Ocean and keeping your Blue Ocean intact. Keeping your price low enough to stop competitors entering the market.
There is a bit more to it than that but I wont go into too much detail.
$199 makes sense, $250 doesnt. Well at the current state to what we actually know about the system anyway.
@ superfan --> :P (^^*)
anyway...
those who don't know what good there is to "create" an Blue Ocean.
I recomend this book for you :)
Ocean Strategy: (Harvard Business Press)
How to Create Untested Market Space and Make the Competition Irrelevent
By: W. Chan Kim, Renée Mauborgne
/M
Michel Ancel promotes Rayman 4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sbuT6JoR5cU&search=michel%20ancel
Wii mystery flap open? IT IS THE SD CARD SLOTS ???
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/wiiflap.JPG
I know some of you have been saying the SD slots are in the front flap, but I don't think they are.
I enhanced this image and it shows that were the Gamecube controllers plug into, there is actually a seperate flap with 2 slots.
This is where the memory cards are going to go.
http://i4.tinypic.com/102qa8o.jpg
- Skwurl
Upon further review, I think those slots are for the GC memory cards.
Doh.
- Skwurl
Maybe SD slots are in the front flap ... But other thing too. SD too small for that flap.
I try to think of some thing more importan than USB behind the console.
... I don't know.
schleif11 don't be an ass, i saw that post on ign-wii boards.
sounds like a great idea, but don't pretend to be something you're not.
Doesn't sound like a good idea to sell blank DS cards. Next thing you know someone figures out a way to write DS games to it and BOOM you have piracy.
JROD
Doesn't sound like a good idea to sell blank DS cards. Next thing you know someone figures out a way to write DS games to it and BOOM you have piracy.
JROD
@ jrod:
i see what your point is, but piracy with ds-games already exists and you dont need a blank ds-card to play games on a ds. a movieplayer and a sd-card is enough.
you can point out the rest yourself, i think.
writing games to a ds-card, for me, now seems to be much more complicated than doing it with sd-cards.
but ok, lets change the topic ^^
MAYBE there will be something like the expansoin pak for n64, too.
or a module you can put in, that makes the wii play dvd's.
at least, i hope so :D
you now, i think the flap is too wide to just hold one sd-card. why would there be two? when wii comes out, 2-gb-sd-cards (or even bigger) will be affordable. so i think there is no need for 2 sd-slots. i think theres is a interface for some other extensions, too (for example the dvd-compatibility, as i mentioned before)
msa
I'm sure if they wanted to let you download virtual console games to your ds, they would do it wirelessly some how since nintendo is really pushing the wifi thing.
Speculation OVER. The "Wii's" were actually Cubes and Nintendo ADMITS to it.
Updated cubes were playing Wii games.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12739&rp=49
Schau Flaffi,du laberst nur noch scheisse! von vorne bis hinten!
Angefangen bei deinem grossen Wii Geheimnis bis hin zu deinem Starwars game!
Gamefront.de :
E3: Wii-Spiele liefen nicht auf finaler Hardware
20.05.06 - Die Wii-Spiele auf der E3 liefen auf einer Hardware, die speziell für die Messe angefertigt und in Gamecube-Gehäuse gesteckt wurde.
Es hätte sich nicht um die endgültige Wii-Hardware gehandelt, die später auf den Markt kommen wird. Das bestätigte PR Manager Matt Atwood von Nintendo of America gegenüber GameDaily.
Die endgültigen technischen Spezifikationen von Wii ständen noch nicht fest und werden gerade festgelegt.
CLICK PICTURE -1- (Wii/GC, Bild:
IGN)
Tut mir leid aber die Spiele waren auf keinem Auge ein "marked improvement" über GameCube!
Lediglich die Lichteffekte bei Prime 3 waren etwas besser.
Deine Aussagen zeugen nur davon, dass du weder Metroid Prime noch Resident Evil 4 jemals (mit einem anständigen RGB Kabel) ausgiebig gezockt hast!
Keines der gezeigten Spiele konnte
Resi 4 das Wasser reichen!
Es ist nunmal so!
Ich hab hi-res videos gesehn!
Du brauchst uns hier keinen Bären aufbinden!
Die Grafik muss sich deutlich verbessern bis zum release!
Das reicht heutzutage einfach nicht!
Da muss ich nicht im E3 booth stehen um das festzustellen!
Was meinst du denn bitte was der Grund dafür ist warum Nintendo so gut wie keine offizielen Screenshots veröffentlicht huh??!
Die Hardware ist einfach noch nicht fit!
Dont beat about the bush Falafelkid!
Get your act together and shift lanes!
-IALS
dann bestätigt sich mein verdacht. hatte mich wirklch gewundert, wieso die spiele zwar gut aussahen, aber dennoch durchaus auf cubes hätten laufen können. (prime 3 sieht, soweit ich das beurteilen kann (hab keine high-res-videos gesehn), EXAKT so aus wie prime 1.)
nun ja, heisst wohl hoffentlich im endeffekt: die finalen versionen der spiele werden besser aussehen!
anonymous is right it is confirmed that they were just updated gamecubes, not actual revolution hardware
Hey! Just got the New EGM and it has interviews with Aonuma, Iwata, and Miyamoto! You want links to my transcripts? Sure you do!
(Iwata)
http://buttonbasher.wordpress.com/2006/05/20/egm-issue-204-get-iwata-interview/
(Aonuma)
http://buttonbasher.wordpress.com/2006/05/20/egm-issue-204-get/
Njoy!
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KLind
KLindblogger@gmail.com
www.Buttonbasher.net/
Hay. It's nothing under the front flap.
http://www.ngcfrance.com/images/
news/wii/wii_03.jpg
It's nothing.
Congrats on posting an old unclear picture, and taking a guess! Wow, that's new around here!
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KLind
KLindblogger@gmail.com
www.Buttonbasher.net
But something new going to come.
And now we know it isn't in that flap... (Maybe)
I have one thing to say about PS3, sony in general; they steal ideas. They stole the interactive controller nintendo made up, the first one that looked like a boomarang was also someelses idea, and they are now stealing nintendo's Wi-Fi idea.
They are stealing the idea of the two package deal from microsoft, though the cheaper one with PS3 is just crappy. The people who disigned the PS3 for sony have no sense of imagination, just "hey look at that lets put that into a PS2 controller and say look it's now!"
this blog has really fallen in the shit hole
:[
what happened to all the updates and info we used to get here?
um maybe thats becouse there really isnt much more info, and what little is left is still unknown so stop bitching about nothing
www.pablobelmonte.com
Try to say "O" "P" "E" "N"
click...
psyco3ier is just fan art ... cool but not real
List of Wii's games.
All: 95
Exclusive : 47
Activision
-Tony Hawk Downhill Jam
-Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
-Call of Duty 3
-Spiderman
AGFRAG
-Bob Ross: The Joy of Painting
AQ Interactive
-Untitled Boxing Action Game
-Untitled Comic License Game
Atari
-Dragon Ball Z Budokai: Tenkaichi 2
Atlus
-Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Banpresto
-Family Action Game
Buena Vista Games
-Disney Chicken Little: Ace in Action
-Disney Meet the Robinsons
Capcom
-Resident Evil
Cellien Studios
-Untitled Game
D3Publisher
-SIMPLE series
-Untitled Acton Game
Eidos
-Untitled Game
Electronic Arts
-Madden NFL 07
-Medal of Honor Airborne
-NCAA Football 07
-NBA Live
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour
-FIFA Soccer
-NASCAR 07
Epoch
-Untitled Game
From Software
-Untitled Action Game
Genki
-Untitled Game
Hudson Soft
-Bombermanland
-Flight Game
Jaleco
-Untitled Game
Koei
-Sengoku Action
Konami Digital Entertainment
-Elebits
-Untitled Soccer Game
-Untitled Kojima Productions Game
Majesco
-Bust-A-Move Revolution
Marvelous Interactive
-Bokujo Monogatari ("Ranch Story")
-Heroes (Grasshopper Manufacture)
-Kawa no Nushitsuri
-Untitled Original Simulation Game
Mastiff
-Mr. D. Goes to Town
Midway Games
-The Ant Bully
-Happy Feet
-Blitz: The League
Milestone
-Untitled Vertical Scrolling Shooter
-Untitled Action Game
MTO
-Character Action Game
-SAN-X All-Star Revolution
Namco Bandai Games
-Final Furlong
-Mobile Suit Gundam
-SD Gundam G Breaker
-Digimon
-One Piece Unlimited Adventure
-Untitled Action Game
-Untitled RPG
-Tamagotchi
-Untitled Game
Natsume
-Harvest Moon
Nintendo
-Super Mario Galaxy
-Animal Crossing Wii
-Super Smash Bros. Brawl
-Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Retro Studios)
-Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
-Disaster: Day of Crisis (Monolith Software)
-Fire Emblem (Intelligent Systems)
-Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (NST)
-Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
-Mario Kart Wii
-Wii Sports
-Wii Music
-ExciteTruck
-Donkey Kong
-Untitled Camelot RPG (Camelot Software Planning)
Sega
-Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz
-Sonic Wild Fire
-Untitled Game
SNK
-Metal Slug Anthology
Spike
-Necro-Nesia
-Jawa
Square Enix
-Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
-Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
-Motto! Mawasundaa!! (Taito)
-Densha de GO! (Taito)
-Cooking Mama: Cooking with International Friends (Taito)
Tecmo
-Super Swing Golf PANGYA
The Game Factory
-Untitled Game
THQ
-Avatar: the Last Airbender
-SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
-Disney/Pixar Cars
Tomy
-Untitled Action Game
-Battle Action
Ubisoft
-Open Season
-Rayman: Raving Rabbids
-Red Steel
Vivendi Universal Games
-Untitled Game
Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
-Untitled Game
Does anyone know if the Wii is region free?
Is the "Untitled Vertical Shooter" Raid over the river? Sounds like it, NIBIRIS said they found a publisher. Also, if that's true, "Untitled Action Game" Would be Sadness right?
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KLind
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www.buttonbasher.net
@ Pi...
Actually if you click O P E N in the missions abborted thingy, it opens up a challenge question which allows you to view the paper pencil scissors video from a couple of weeks back.
Robo
What would be the better Wii launch package?
Wii, one wiimote and nunchuck - $199
Wii, two wiimotes and nunchucks, and one simple game, like Wii sports -
$250
Ya i already know it
And it say :
Psyco3ler isn't a worker form nintendo
This psyco3ler video isn't nintendo secret
and
This video is a FanFiction (fan art) created by psyco3ler
... it isn't real. - Yes. It really cool and I like it. -
...but if he *did* work for nintendo secretly... that's what they'd WANT it to say...
;D
-"superfan" tactics.
update your blog already! come on! it's been freakin forever!
@ zaro
So Falafelkid is the Boogeyman!?
no, betelguce...
The last secret is...
That you can play your DS games directly with the Wii!
And the front flap hide a DS cartridge reader!
It's possible as the DS is a huge success and Wii has all functionalities to do so.
Just speculation though...
I wonder if Falafelkid is still under NDA. If not, what was he under NDA for? And why was Falafelkid insistant on saying that the Red Steel graphics were "provisional" graphics?
He would always get quiet right before a big announcement, so maybe something's coming up soon...
Falafelkid, with the NDA for StarWars, stuck at the airport. Still. Seriously, he's living off airport peanuts. Someone should do something....
Last Wii cpu rumor
"...the Wii will ship with a PowerPC 750GX CPU jointly developed between IBM and Nintendo. Nintendo says the codename of the processor is Broadway and was manufactured using a 90nm fabrication process. IBM claims the 750GX GPU is based on the 750FX processor designed by the company several years ago. The chip can run at frequencies up to 1.1GHz and includes a 4-way set-associative single core with 1MB L2 cache."
... block diagram of PowerPC 75GX
http://www-03.ibm.com/chips/power/
powerpc/newsletter/jun2003/images/
ppc750gx_92.jpg
Also
PowerPC 750GX was 0.13-micron (~130nm)
die size 51.9 mm^2 (cell 200 mm^2 up)
Wii also don't have Dolby Digital (but have dolby surround)
... So Wii will have much space to adjust. or need to reduce price (for other device).
Wii seem to have second secret :
http://www.totalvideogames.com/
news/Nintendo_Wii&_039;s_Over_
Your_Face_10002_5386_0.htm
It's official, Yoshihiro Mori (Nintendo-Japan Senior Managing Director) said "25.000 yens for the Wii"
So hopefully 200 euros as a launch price!!!!!
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