Saturday, May 13, 2006

e3 update #6it?s a wrap. e3 is over and i am left with a very optimistic feeling regarding nintendo?s appearance at the show. i am confident that they left a big impression with the majority of visitors, particularly after the slightly disapointing press conference. some of the games just didn?t look up to scratch there. that must have been due to the faulty projection, though, (there was a technical problem with the red steel demo, if you noticed) because the games looked very polished on the showfloor.

i played quite a bit of metroid prime 3 and i must say that the title has all the potential of being the best console shooter ever. it makes full use of the controller?s 3d functionality, much more so than red steel (which i was able to play exclusively back in early april alongside a handful of select press people). you open doors by gripping a handle, puling it out, turning it and pushing it back in. you can disarm enemies by literally yanking the weapon off them. and the graphics are a marked improvement over the gamecube.

i also played some wii sports tennis today, which is as intuitive as it looks. later on, two guys demoed a drum simulator, which was spectacular. i am a drummer myself and this got me far more excited than that konami arcade game, was it called drum-mania? anyway, i am sure that wii games like these will succeed in mobilizing a whole new target group for the videogame market.

the best indicator of that was that people were cueueing up for six hours this morning to get into the wii area. all of the 27 titles that were playable there looked great and polished and i am sure that they can all be launch titles.

i interviewed iwata yesterday and he was more relaxed and playful than ever before, posing with the controller for my camera while his answers were being translated. when steven spielberg showed up at the e3 today, he made sure that he visited the nintendo booth and he spent half an hour chatting to miyamoto and playing wii, which is very promising. i dont know whether spielberg also went to check out the ps3 or xbox360.

also, all developers i talked to seemed to like the wii. even cliff bleszinsky from epic games, julian eggebrecht from factor5 and peter molyneux (who is now signed to microsoft) showed some respect for the console, though they are currently working on other consoles. other developers like doug lombardi from valve, denis dyack from silicon knights and todd hollenshead from id software all expressed interest in nintendo?s approach. once i get back home and find the time, i will try to post some of their comments and perhaps even full interviews right here on this blog.

lastly, i am a bit disappointed that lucasarts were unable to show their exclusive star wars game for wii at the show, featuring hot lightsaber action. apparently, you will have to wait until e3 2007 for that one. nothing has been officially announced, but remeber where you heard it first. but even without it, i am very confident that the wii launch will be one of the most spectacular launches in console history.

as iwata told me, they wont rush the launch. they will make sure that they have the launch library necessary to make the wii an instant success.

69 comments:

ian said...

Thanks for the update Falafelkid and also thanks for quelling any fears on what other so called journalists have been saying.

From what we have all seen over the past few days, E3 has given us enough to play with until Starwars appears. What a great launch window list of titles Wii has. Something for everybody is there.
Thanks again and we hope you have had a good time.

-jealous-

pi said...

I sure it better than gamecube. it have at lest 2 time gamecube power. I also know that at E3 it's gamecube Tools (did you see cable ?).

Metaldave said...

Its really a shame about Starwars, that would have killed E3(and the lines to play)

I can't wait for all the interviews you did Falafelkid!

I have a question for you about Red Steel:

Did you have problems with the control aim? IGN said that controls needed A LOT of work before it could really stand on its own. They also said the graphics needed work too.

How did your experience fair?

ian said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGlvLQzvJNA.

Please watch this video from youtube.The lines to play Wii were quite long enough without Starwars, trust me.

tanstaafl said...

Please bear with me and I apologize if this has been posted in a previous thread.

IGN's Bozon interviewed a Kanomi developer who had this to say:

"IGN: Is the hardware as easy to use on the Wii as it was with the GameCube? The two systems are very similar is structure we're told.

Konami: Yes, the structure is very similar to GameCube, but you already knew that. The development was not that difficult, as the Wii system has built in physics simulation. That helped the process. ""


IGN Elebits interview


So, Fal, know anything about this? If anything, Hollywood may have some built-in physics capabilities. It appears nVidia and ATI are implementing physics simulation capabilities into their graphics chips.

Also, ATI's efforts can be read about here:


Report on ATI physics processing efforts


Now, IIRC, the x1000 Radeons are developed by the ArtX team members at ATI. And we all know who ArtX develops chips for (hint for uninformed: they did the N64 RCP and GCN Flipper and Wii Hollywood).

So, who wants to bet ATI gave Nintendo some physics loving?

Anonymous said...

thank you for your optimism, falafelkid... it's great to hear! i'm (quite frankly [hahaha]) getting sick of Bozon's filthy mouth. reading your blog has always been refreshing. thank you so much.

what are your thoughts on nintendo reps commenting that there are "still hardware secrets"?

also, falafelkid, i need your help here. a friend in another forum told me that one of the secrets lies in back of Wii, saying, "follow the black cord..." and linking this:
http://images.p-nintendo.com/salons/2006-e3/wii/13.jpg

anything you know/can say/could investigate about this?

thanks in advance! you're a constant inspiration!

-"superfan" tactics.

tanstaafl said...

Oh, I'll search for a reference to the following. I know I read about it on the beyond3d.com forums (which have regular postings by known game developers who've worked on GameCube hardware). Perhaps an enterprising soul will spare me the task and just browse the forum search results for "ati physics".

Anywho, my understanding is that the x1000 line implements physics using a TEV-like method. TEV is the Texture Environment hardware in the GameCube Flipper chip. Its like shaders, but different (they do similar things, but the programming model is a bit different). That's what originally caught my attention about ATI, physics, and Nintendo. That was around 2 weeks to a month ago, so I'll have to dig around for a good reference.

tanstaafl said...

"supperfan",

That's the powercord, and its pretty obvious it goes into the Wii and not the stand (which is what I'm assuming you're implying).

Those updated European patent images from 4-6 weeks ago show the power adapter input in the proper place. One of the forums Fal links to (I think its Moz La Punk's) has the relevant thread with pictures.

Anonymous said...

it's "SUPERfan" not "supper fan" sillyass. i eat dinner, not supper. i'm californian.

well yeah, i don't read "moz la punk" (mostly because they're idiots) so i won't be looking into that... guess i won't know until i get Wii, or until someone else looks into it for me.

thanks for your response though, man.

-"SUPERfan" tactics.

Anonymous said...

upon further inspection, it looks to me like it plugs right into the stand... although i can't quite tell from the picture. it might not.

but to make it even more believable, remember that "production error" in that european nintendo magazine about the stand doubling as a power supply? i always believed that to be true... because calling it a "production error" and retracting the statement seemed a ridiculous way of trying to cover it up ;)

-"superfan" tactics.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, it looks like it would be for charging the Wii or something.

Anonymous said...

thanks for keeping us posted. have you noticed any problem with the wiimote conection with the sensor bar? joystiq says they didn't see any good in the wiimote. is it that bad?

910do said...

Hi Falafelkid, I didn't know that you are a drummer !!! I'm a drummer too !!! anyway I see two wiimotes being used for percussion but not really for simulating a complete drumset ( No foot pedals ), it could be a nice simulation tool for beginners.

Anonymous said...

Superfan "tactics"

It clearly plugs into the stand, not a big surprise. Actually i never believed the so called "production mistake" of the ONM.

Maybe it`s just for charging Wii, maybe it`s a greater thing. I`m sure Nintendo`s going to keep their secrets tight specially since Sony it`s so obvius at their efforts to become a Xerox machine instead a game console.

Nintendo has already won next console wars!! Great E3!!! Let`s call it, the E Wii

Anonymous said...

Ok now we know everthing about the Revo.. ups, sorry i mean the Wii.
Lets discuss.

My Opinion :

Nintendo did not achieve any revolution. Why ? Because i havent seen anything revolutionary. A new pad with sensory function does not create a new hype ! I have read so many reviews about the Wii from E3 visitors, and most of them claimed that they were not impressed by Nintendo. No doubt the show was cool, but the subject of the presentation did not impress. Nintendo will not create a new kind of gaming hype because this time the situation is different. I mean they will have their customer but they will lose some hardcore fans. The Wii will be a cheap gaming machine, but not to play complex games, but to have fun with friends during parties. Maybe they can succeed in japan because of the latter fact but the US and EU gamers are accustomed to advanced graphics and technics. Until the E3, i was very excited about the Wii but now i have seen the machine, i must confess that im also not impressed. I find the whole situation on the gaming market is sad, i miss the old days when gaming was gaming and not the place of new inventions with no use !
But i have learned something from this E3, that my choice of buying a new console has become more simple, because now i have only choose from two machines ;)

Anonymous said...

What a great E3,Nintendo's next gen is gonna be there best in a while. Super Smash Bros Brawl looks amazing I like the new characters like metaknight and Snake. Too bad there was nothing on the star wars at E3, but I know a bit about it aleady anyway, not the story or characters just some of the stuff that will be included, well that's what my bro was saying cause he works for Lucas Arts.He said that there will be advanced lighting effects to compliment the lightsaber and that you will be able to slice up almost eveything and even melting steel is going to possible. I'm going to slam him over the head with a Wii Mote if he's lying on this one.

Anonymous said...

What a dissapointment :

They have made the Gamecube smaller and have add a new controller !!! That is all, and they are calling this act a "revolution" !!! A shame !!!
Look at Metroid, it looks exactly the same like the gamecube version, this is really weak. The new Mario is so uncool, where is the original mario setting ?? Galaxy!! So boring !!! Jumping from one planet to the next !!! The new zelda ?? Why should i buy the Wii only for that game, i can play it also on my Gamecube, with better controls !! The new type of control is not an innovation it is a hardship for the gamer. There was not one game that did impress me. This time they have made the biggest mistake in gaming history.
But im sure i will play the next gen zelda or mario on PS4 or Xbox(720?). Farewell Big N. You have lost an another fan.

Anonymous said...

betcha they wait to play the starwars lightsaber card until e307... they'll probably end up with lines almost as long ;D

-"superfan" tactics.

Anonymous said...

As a angry Nintendo fanboy i must confess some facts :

1. Nintendo did disappoint

2. Sony did disappoint

3. Microsoft did surprise with a solid presentation

Now i will really think of buying a 360. The waiting has an end for me.

Anonymous said...

what the fuck is this shit? are you people hired by fucking sony to go and slander nintendo blogs and websites with this crap? jesus christ...
it's like sony's got a 10-story warehouse of cubicles in china full of idiots to surf the web and bash nintendo websites/threads... it's ridiculous. go somewhere else you little snots, we don't need you. have plastic prepackaged "fun" with your fucking 600$ ps3 and replace the laser in 6 months for another 300 bucks when every game gets a disc read error. hope you enjoy it. glad you feel "cool" because you can see 27 eyelashes on each one of "ratchet's" eyes, and a pus-leaking pimple on "crash bandicoot's" upper lip. i don't care about your bullshit spoonfed opinions.

FUCK OFF.

this is a blog about NINTENDO SPECULATION not "omg i'm heartbroken that Wii only looks 4 times better than gamecube and not like a CG movie omg i'm gonna cut myself! goodbye cruel world!"
get a fucking clue. the console is 200$ for a reason, you worthless scum.

god i'm sick of it.

-"superfan" tactics.

daniel said...

So... How incredibly far off the mark were you with that whole "projector built-in OMFG LOL" stuff?

I called it...

Anonymous said...

ack... sorry for the outburst... i've been reading joystiq threads and comments for the last 2 hours... building up the hate... then i come here and see this moron posting the exact same shit; just put me over the edge. turns out, i just needed a bonghit ;)

-"superfan" tactics.

Anonymous said...

Get out and buy a pc and play real games ! Fuck consoles !!! Noobies !!

Alper said...

Hi there,

has anybody realized the butterflies fying in front of the Wii in the Rayman Rabbits video? Plus, in one scene you look at the children playing Wii from the tv's perspective and you see Rayman!? Well, I really cannot believe that there is no other big secret EVERYBODY was talking about... I hope I am not the only one...

Bye...

Anonymous said...

Cut the crap, no graphical secrets that will blow away ps3 and xbox360 will be unveiled.

It wouldn't make sense. Ninty has presented their filosophy and Wii is everything they promised:
Great graphics and innovative easy to grab gameplay.

thats Wii, and I love it. Mario looks awesome and so does Metroid and sonic (make sure you check some high-res movies).

There's nothing left to wish for, except a return of Pro Evo, and even that is rumored.

I can't wait to get my hands on the Wiimote

htiawe said...

This was some big fanboy bollocks, gees.

Anonymous said...

The Wii is a useless console !!! Only noobs are going to buy one. People who are going to buy it, are people who are lying to themselves and are ignoring the reality. The Wii is so weak that the difference is not obvious in comparison to the GC.
And stop talking about innovation or some kind of new gameplay, because go read some reviews from the recent E3. Also the games did suck, each game looked like a gamecube game, i did not notice any difference.
"oh we dont wanna good graphs, wa want gameplay !! " Please, stop with this crap, you are talking in a way like the others dont have any gameplay !!¨You suck !!! All of you remind me of communist. You are fighting against the strong !! But you know that you dont have any chance. And, one question, where is your last all destroying secret ??? = The speaker in the pad ?!!!! MUAHAHHAAH !!! what a crap !!!
Everyone of you knows that N is going to suck, and you will sink with them this time, because you are riding the same ship you noobies !!!

Anonymous said...

No beating about the bush:

Metroid should look 40% better

Mario should look 45% better

Zelda should look 50% better on Wii

Hollywood should have 60% more power
than flipper.

Final dev kits should be more powerful

Nintendo should not consider graphics as something bad or wothless

Graphics should be equally important

Nintendo should release system specs

Nintendo should make one or two big
mature games not neccessarly violent ones but with mature themes something like age of empires for example

Nintendo should invest more into
new teams

Nintendo should make more less colourful games

Nintendo should polish the graphics
until launch

Nintendo should redo the graphics for Zelda to the fullest and make it
Wii only


Nintendo should clarify how much Wii
is capable of


Nintendo should support and engage developers to do more games like red steel but with blood


Nintendo should be more aggressive


Nintendo should accept that visuals
help to immerse the expirience
to the fullest

Grandmaster B said...

If you are deserting Nintendo now to play PS3 and 360 because of graphics YOU were NOT a Nintendo fan in the first place. Goodbye, Nintendo doesnt need you as they have SO MANY people at E3 hyped about the Wii.

Whats this shit about 'so many' people saying they were not impressed by Nintendo? BS, it is the other way around. SO many people were surprised about Nintendo and have been getting a heap of good press for once.

Nintendo did not disappoint.

I dont mean to sound harsh or anything but the people in this blog sucking up to Fal is really becoming a bit repetitive and sickening. We all do appreciate his time but........

If Wii does become a huge seller, then the controller will set the standard and become the revolution so you cant exactly tell me is isnt a revolution as a revolution has to of passed or in effect for it to be one.

Grandmaster B said...

Click here and tell me if the PS3 or 360 will be able to create such a thing

They wont, and if this catches on you cant tell me it wont be a revolution.

Anonymous said...

It;s great to see that Wii is apparently creating so much hype ps and xbox fanboys have to come here trying to spoil are enthusiasm with crappy bullshitposts.


Wii delivers big time and I cant wait to get my hands on the new Mario.

By the way, though grapicswise not too impressive, what a hilarious Smash Bros trailers. Cant wait to play that too.

pi said...

I know one thing. Even if it's cube picture. But play on that remode. It will fell alot better.

Also when nintendo sale it same price as nes - snes - n64 - cube ... at $199. and look at Wii line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=aGlvLQzvJNA.

360 say Wii+360 price as same as Ps3. Ps3 say it have lot better power and bd.

But Wii show you lot more fun. in half price. It also have twice power than PS2.

If nothing change. You know. It's over. We got a winner.

... And the rest is 360 and ps3. Fight for No2.

superuser said...

Falafelkid,
is it true that you have to point the wiimote at the sensor-bar? Matt from IGN wrote that.
You probably know if this is true, since you played Red Steel.

Squirrelly Bob said...

Those pictures of people demoing the Wii says it all: Nintendo wants gaming to be FUN again! I can't wait to play this new system and share it with my friends and family. Does it really matter if you're a GAMER or not? I'm sick and tired of the negative stereotype that is associated with "Gamer." Iwata and Miyamoto saw this as well when they talked about the perception of today's gamer: shackled to a complex controller in a dark room staring at the TV frantically pushing buttons and clicking joysticks. The Wii is trying to include EVERYONE who wants to play. Mom, Dad, Sister, Brother, Grandpa, Grandma, and even your Girlfriend! Imagine spending Friday night at HOME watching your girlfriend laughing and swinging the Wii-mote while playing WarioWare or Monkey Ball or kicking your butt in Smash Bros. Brawl! No more spending money on expensive dinners, movies, and driving around looking for something to do on a weekend with your squeeze! You can save your money and have fun at the same time with the Wii! I'm convinced PLAYING=BELIEVING. Wii will change everything. Instead of being labeled as an anti-social gamer, I will be a social Wii-kend warrior.

superuser said...

@ Squirrelly Bob

"No more spending money on expensive dinners, movies, and driving around looking for something to do on a weekend with your squeeze! You can save your money and have fun at the same time with the Wii!"

You should sell this text to nintendo as a slogan for a commercial...

Anonymous said...

yeah... no more spending all kinds of cash taking them out to dinner? deal.

-"superfan" tactics.

ian said...

@ grandmaster b.

Great photo find dude.
Just to say this, when my 14 and 12 yr old sons play a 'typical' nintendo multiplayer game they do have a noticably different demeanour to when they play a 'typical' ps2/box multiplayer. Go figure...

Also for the last time i personally am sick to death of this graphics argument. To all the fanboys, forget it yawn blx etc.

Ps2 had worse graphics last gen and won clearly, now you retarded sony fanboys think because you have the best graphics(in theory) with the Ps3 you automatically assume your brand of choice is best? Seems logic is an alien concept to you all. Sony will lose a lot of its market share this time around, deal with it.

Also, this gen, instead of playing the same game only prettier, with Wii i KNOW for SURE i will be playing new games a totally different way than ever before, for a great price and no BS.

Oh yeah, side note, VIRTUAL CONSOLE will own on its own anyway

IALS said...

Did the Wii games run on final dev-kits?

I hope not!

Really people you need to stop repeating the same phrases all the time!

Everybody knows that gameplay is more important!


But huhu this is a wake up call


People its 2006!

Visuals are something nice something beautiful!
Dont curse them in favour of gameplay!
We have reached a point where its fairly easy do get something beautiful on the screen its something within reason!
Its not mad!
Im tired of Nintendo bashing visuals
all the time its just needless!
Its like they give you a vibe a feeling that you have to feel ashamed for appreciating beautiful graphics!
Its 2006 people dont forget that!
Technology moves on gets faster and cheaper!You cant stop the progress!
Its not bad!Its great for this industry!What is the first thing press,ordinary people that walk by kiosks or see comercials notice?The visuals!They create an impression a first impression that counts!
I mean Dreamcast is almost ten years
old!Keep that in mind its not that graphics move so super fast forwatd that the big three couldnt keep up with it!
I think its an alibi,an excuse of Nintendo that they dont want to compete!
The truth is that Nintendo has always been a conservative company when it comes to being profitable!
The controller which is a great accomplishment is their big alibi to say no we dont need "great" graphics
its all about the gameplay we are the new generation!
And this ignorance is definitely not good for them!
So what?Why not give consumers beautiful contemporary visuals in addition instead of downplaying them and making exuses by underlining the importance of fun and gameplay to death?
WTF?again everybody knows that gameplay is important even if some developers suck at doing that or concentrate more on doing visuals!
Nevertheless its something that should be taken for granted!
Its reduntant and tiering to hear the same phrase every day like mothers use to remind their kids thats its important to brush their teeth 3 times a day!
Just accept that graphics have merit and help immerse people in games and
also illustrate that this industry is moving along!Take it for what it is and dont hate people who want nice visuals and therefore prefer and buy Playstations or Xboxes!
To tell the truth we dont even know yet what Wii is capable of and if the games were all running on final kits but if E3 is any indication than its really up to Nintendo now to turn the tables and to deliver
because lets be honest they would only do themselve a favour and benefit from it to the fullest and most notably steal their competitors thunder!
They need to deliver on both hands
and thats not mission impossible or something thats common sense!

Reggie,Iwata,Miyamoto,Perrin I hope you hear me!


DELIVER!

For Big Ns sake!


-IALS

Anonymous said...

both ends

Anonymous said...

Together we are strong !!


You are talking about fun !!! LOL !!! Like the others do not deliver any games with fun or innovation, hey folk open your eyes, because i had a lot of fun with PS games !!! And i will also have fun with the next MGS 4 or RESI 5 or FF 13 or the next Dragon Quest or Tekken or God of War or ... !!! I had also fun with my Gamecube and with all the other consoles that i have. But im not tripping like you, because im a realist and i can afford to critize nintendo. Without criticism they will never learn , and it seems they havent learned anything , just look to the Wii. A new generation of pad is not a revolution folk !! There have to be more than that, just look to the pc market, how much prephials do we have there ?? A lot !! Did it creat any hype ?? As a cross plattform gamer and also having a lot of respect of nintendo, i must say that im dissapointed !! Such a performance is in my view not acceptable, because they have told us that the graphics are going to be weaker than the others, but not this weak, please !!! Nintendo told us, that we will by seeing the grapichs just say : Wow !!! But i said : Crap !! I mean, they havent shown a whole year one picture of a game, you know why, because they knew that the fans would say: Hey the screens suck!! I want to clear one thing, as an experienced gamer i expect more than just an upgrade of a pad, because they had had the chance to build the same controller for the gamecube instead of developing a new half-assed console. Dont get me wrong, i love nintendo and therefore my criticism is a bit harsh , i know. Unfortunately i miss also some criticism by you, because, just stop being sold for dumb, if we are able to critize the market than maybe the market will response. This E3 was in my view a failure, nintendo, sony , and M$ did not deliver any spectacular facts. Instead of fighting each other we must gather and react to the game producers.

They are living because we are gaming ...

game on said...

Another great update! Thanks for all the info Falafa!

ian said...

My final word on the graphics side of things. I do love gorgeous graphics. I make a point of always watching game intos, always, for the graphics. So i can be wowed. Its all in the art. Would i give shit if i could see freckles on Marios face in SMgalaxy? No. Do i care about NBA '07 players eyes following the ball on PS3. Yes. Artstyle and functionality. Give them too me all lol ;)

thebawp said...

A few people seem to be pushing the whole graphics thing - don't forget, that for the last two console generations, the weakest console graphically has been the best selling one. I'm not saying there is a link, but are the PS3 graphics as hot as everyone thought they would be (where was Killzone at E3? Nowhere, that's where)? No, of course not. Also, despite being technologically weaker than the Xbox, the Gamecube proved it was capable of creating fantastic graphics (Resi Evil 4). All of the games shown at E3 were betas, none final, they'll all be in development for 4,5,6 more months at the least,and I'm thinking most weren't even produced on final Wii dev kits, which are said to be shipping very shortly. Good graphics don't make great or even best selling games (the DS has proved that gameplay > graphics vs. the PSP) but I do believe the Wii will have good graphics and great gameplay. Coupled with the virtual console and a low price tag (I hope they don't sell it for anymore than £200 in the UK) means that I am certain to buy it.

I am resigned, however, to the fact that we are not going to be seeing in depth RPGs (such as Mass Effect or Oblivion) on the Nintendo Wii (although with Dragon Quest and a possible Star Wars game in the works, we may see a handful of good rpgs) so I do think somewhere down the line I will buy an Xbox 360 aswell.

Anonymous said...

Gah!
What's it with all these losers coming ot this blog to post all this shity bullshit about how Wii is a piece of crap and how much graphics pawn everything including gameplay.

Firstly Gameplay is the most important aspect of a game, but graphics are needed to as they enhance gameplay and imersion, which is what the Wii is working on immersion through gameplay instead of immersion though graphics,

Secondly the graphics wil not be shit as some people have stated ok Resident Evil 4 had the best graphics of the last gen almost eveything was rendered with lighing effects and good textures now the gamecube had only about half the power of the Xbox but it still pawned it graphically, so STFU all those thinking that it will have shit graphics. Reasons why it can support better graphics is that it firstly will be very similar to program for as it has a gamecube like architecture, thus people will no all the tricks to make the hardware wok for them. another reason is that it will have a custom built from the ground up GPU, (supposedly with built in PPU support) thus it will be optimised for use with 3d graphics unlike Xboxs modified Nividia, thus even at a similar power it will be capable of producing possibly even double that of an Xbox original. Ati is making there grpahics card as well and despite the 2x Xbox nintendo was still capable of more, at half the power cmon can't you see what I mean yet.

Nes
Snes
Ps1
Ps2
NDS
GBB(Brick)
GBA, all had weaker graphics than there competitors but had better support and were cheaper, which is why they one and lest no-one has noticed so far Wii has had both good third party (many new developers, and old are jumping on the bandwagon of nintendo, Hideo even loves Wii's idea and he's made many legendary gmaes) and cheapness although at a cost of graphics which, the graphics they are supporting ares still quite good for pre release have only been in work for a few months and are not even near the part where the graphics are polished up part.

That's about all I got to say, oh and Falfekid do you have the statistics for Xboxes sold cause I'm doing a report on game consoles for my history class and I'd like to see their acutual sales but unfortunetly all the major sites, like Wiki have only got the amount shipped which is 22 mill.

Anonymous said...

Nice E3! So you guys think it lived up to the hype?

Wii....oh lovely little Wii! I'm happy to see the cat's finally out of the bag. At the same time, I'm kinda confused.

I love Nintendo...and I LOVE the Wii. I will be standing in line on day one to pick one up. I MUST have my mitts wrapped around that Wiimote ASAP.

However, I'm left scratching my head. I know devs have been working on Gamecube dev kits, and that extinguishes ANY concern of the Wii's graphical prowless. However, the little jump that there is really seems pointless. Why didn't they just release the controller for the Gamecube?

Honestly, a new controller is super cool and all...but I can't see the controller alone pushing Nintendo's survival for an entire generation. I dunno, I just know Nintendo is saving the best for last. We all know by now that there are more hardware secrets involved. I wonder if the last revelation will be the final third of what's so revolutionary about this new system. We have a new control mechanism, new ideologies on how to approach software, and ???

Before we jump on the whole stereo optics thing...or off it for that matter...I just wanna ask...do you guys think that there are two "i's" (eyes) in the logo for ANOTHER reason outside of it being symbolic of 2 people or 2 controllers? I mean if that were the FINAL reason...I'm curious as to why they didn't spell Wii with 4 i's symbolizing 4 players and 4 controllers. Wiiii?

I know I sound like a crazy idiot...but what ELSE could there possibly be?

Anyways...I can't wait to be unwrapping a Wii on launch day!

Anonymous said...

They clearly lied to us !!!

Where is the "WOW" we are going to say by seeing the grapichs !!!

Anonymous said...

Super Smash Bros. Brawl made me say "Wow!"

Hey this message goes out to all you Sony fanboys that got f*ck*d royally on the price of your new console...

Wii will finally pull through on a promise SONY's sorry ass made years ago but lied about. By not taking resolution and polys to the EXtreme Wii will LOCK IN a solid 60 fps. In my mind as T3h H4rdc0r3 G4m3r and in [non-HD] public opinion that will make Wii's graphics BETTER (I.E. NOT headache and motion sickness inducing.)

Wii pwns all. Xbox is a solid 2nd.
Sony's new machine with the Dualnoshock Thwii controller has been beasted in every way. Accept it and Move on with Your life.

If you are determined to be a single-console fanboy for the next cycle, you get to pick from the following options:
1. Wii
2. Xbox 360
3. Bend over and Enjoy it Bitch.

I wonder how many brain-washed robots out there will still drop 7 or 8 Bills on a lackluster game system and a crippled BluRay player in one HUGE OVERSIZED CLUNKY package. And btw did you hear the good/bad news... Looks like Rockstar North is finally fed up with Sony's Bullshit, right?

And another thing, there will be only one true next-gen Madden experience this Holiday Season. PSThwii gets a sorry-ass Port of the Xbox360 version. The Xbox version itself has major framerate issues.
And Wii gets 60 fps all the way combined with the next leap in gaming, freehand control.

Madden Wii. Use Your Good Arm.

Anonymous said...

No other company like sony has the support from the best developpers !!!
Games for PS3 :
Final Fantasy 13
Metal Gear Solid 4
UT Tournament 2007
Tekken 6
and more ...

And stop calling me a fanboy you f.ck.ng noob, this is the only way N-Fans can defense themselves. Very Weak. Like the statement : we dont want good graphics !! You know why you repeat this the whole time : Because you cant deliver better graphs !! LOL !!
As a true gamer i love each system, and therefore im not a fanboy of any system, but stop calling the others like Sony or MS weak !!! Because they arent. For Nintendo they should be more aggressive or they will produce the next zelda for PS4 or the next xbox.

Anonymous said...

And for your information :

Madden for the Wii :

One of the most bad controls for a football game. Go read byyourselfs dreamer.

bankai said...

do u guys still believe that the power cord goes into the stand? do u superfan?

well..
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5332/img17731ja.jpg

sooo, who is the idiot now ;)

bankai said...

sorry, link got destroyed

http://img518.imageshack.us/
img518/5332/img17731ja.jpg

Metaldave said...

All you Sony fans out there, guess what?

Any fanboy that calls Nintendo "kiddy" has just jumped the shark.

Its over, kiddy is out.

3D control is in

Getting present ideas from Nintendo and then copying the gameboy instead is also in I hear.

We all love graphics wheather we are fanboys or not. Thats why we are impressed by Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros.

Anonymous said...

These arent any arguments...

You are not able to discuss about facts, because you are living in your colourful dreamworld and believe every shit that is told by your beloved company. We call this kind of people ass-licker !!! Go and learn how you have to discuss and then come back and bring some facts. We have heard enough of innovation...

Anonymous said...

You have to believe it :

You have been cheated by N and me too. I miss the old days where i was proud to be an owner of a N-Console but nowadays i'm not. But instead of you, i admit the weaknesses of the Wii.
Where are the good old days of
Big N !!!
Since the N64 also the games have been changed in a bad way, look how Mario and Link has been changed, examples :

Mario Sunshine !
The Wind Waker !

and the future also is strange, just look to SMGalaxy ! I mean, the whole style is so strange, where is the original setting of Mario !!!

I want him back = Hiroshi Yamauchi

God bless him !!!

Anonymous said...

Graphics are not the most important thing, and Wii won't have the same capabilities as Xbox360 or ps3, but looking at the hires movies of Sonic Wildfire, MarioGalaxy, Project Hammer and even excitetruck only one word comes to mind:
WOW!

I was prepared to accept that graphics would be relatively crappy. But after E3 i have no doubt that on a normal TV Wii will look almost as good as any other next gen system.

Anonymous said...

What do you think, when will the Wii be released ?? Before PS 3???

What are the launch games, beneath Zelda??

YEAH YEAH = Im going to buy the new Zelda with the Wii, jippppppiiiiiiiiiieeeeee !!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

This people have me sick with the visual shit!!! its as if the Wii had Atari Graphics... shit, the fucking IALS, come on bitch, for fuck sakes pick a fucking side already, all i hear is your bitching about how today you love nintendo and tomorrow how you hate it....


Shit if you want graphics and this is for all the trolls and fanboys, there is choice pick the other fucking consoles alredy go spend your money on a PS3 or a 360 instead of the fucking Wii.

pi said...

For now Wii have only ... Red Steel , Disaster , Sadness , Sonic , FInal Fantasy CC , Mario , Zedla , Metroid

Also Madden and set of Wii sport . Play on that joysitck.

Isn't it worth for $200.

... Ok I know. For now only Zedla confirm tobe launch games. But I don't think launch title will have only Zedla.

IALS said...

*DONT LET REGGIENATOR BRAINWASH YOU*

(advanced corrected version)



Did the Wii games run on final dev-kits?

I hope not!

Really people,you need to stop repeating the same phrases all the time!

Everybody knows that gameplay is more important than visuals!


But you know what? this is a wake up call!

People its 2006!


Nice visuals should be taken for granted
nowadays just like gameplay!
Dont curse them!


We have reached a point where its fairly easy do get something beautiful on the screen its, something you have to expect from developers,its how its supposed to be,its something within reason!Its not a bad thing like Nintendo makes you want to think!

Im so tired of Nintendo bashing visuals all the time,its just needless hypocritic!It clearly is an excuse!
Its like they want to give you a vibe,a feeling that you have to feel ashamed for appreciating beautiful graphics!As if they wouldnt matter at all!

Its 2006 people dont forget that!
Technology moves on,gets faster and cheaper!
You cant stop the progress!

Its not bad!Its great for this industry!What is the first thing press,ordinary people that walk by kiosks,or see comercials notice?The visuals!They create an impression,a first impression,that counts,that says more than thousand words ever could!
I mean Dreamcast is almost ten years
old!
Please keep that in mind,its not like technology moves so super fast forward that the big three cant keep up with it!
I think it has always been an alibi,an excuse of Nintendo when they painstakingly repeat that they dont want to compete!

The truth is that Nintendo has always been a conservative company when it came to being profitable!

Their new controller,which is a great accomplishment is simply their big alibi to say no we dont need "great" graphics its all about the gameplay,we are the new generation!
And this refusal,this ignorance will definitely back fire at them at some point!

So what?Why not give consumers beautiful contemporary visuals in addition,instead of downplaying them and just making exuses all the time by underlining the importance of fun and gameplay to death?


WTF?again everybody knows that gameplay is important,even if some developers suck at making enjoyable gameplay or concentrate more on doing visuals!

Nevertheless people dont play yourself dont let Nintendo pull a fast one on you!Visuals have to be up to par nowadayas,they should be taken for granted!

Its reduntant and tiering to hear the same Nintendo statements regarding technology every day like mothers used to remind their kids that they need to brush their teeth 3 times a day!


Just accept that graphics have merit and help immerse people in games and also illustrate that this industry is moving along!
Take it for what it is and dont hate people who want nice up to date visuals and therefore prefer and buy Playstations or Xboxes!

To tell the truth,we dont even know yet what Wii is capable of and if the games were all running on final kits,but if E3 is any indication than its really up to Nintendo now to turn the tables and to deliver because lets be honest they would only do themselve a favour and benefit from it to the fullest and most notably steal their competitors thunder!
They need to deliver on both ends if they want to reign supreme!
and thats not mission impossible or something,thats plain and simple common sense!

Reggie,Iwata,Miyamoto,Perrin think again!


DELIVER!
For Big Ns sake!


-IALS

I totally agree with this guy by the way well said:



Together we are strong !!


You are talking about fun !!! LOL !!! Like the others do not deliver any games with fun or innovation, hey folk open your eyes, because i had a lot of fun with PS games !!! And i will also have fun with the next MGS 4 or RESI 5 or FF 13 or the next Dragon Quest or Tekken or God of War or ... !!! I had also fun with my Gamecube and with all the other consoles that i have. But im not tripping like you, because im a realist and i can afford to critize nintendo. Without criticism they will never learn , and it seems they havent learned anything , just look to the Wii. A new generation of pad is not a revolution folk !! There have to be more than that, just look to the pc market, how much prephials do we have there ?? A lot !! Did it creat any hype ?? As a cross plattform gamer and also having a lot of respect of nintendo, i must say that im dissapointed !! Such a performance is in my view not acceptable, because they have told us that the graphics are going to be weaker than the others, but not this weak, please !!! Nintendo told us, that we will by seeing the grapichs just say : Wow !!! But i said : Crap !! I mean, they havent shown a whole year one picture of a game, you know why, because they knew that the fans would say: Hey the screens suck!! I want to clear one thing, as an experienced gamer i expect more than just an upgrade of a pad, because they had had the chance to build the same controller for the gamecube instead of developing a new half-assed console. Dont get me wrong, i love nintendo and therefore my criticism is a bit harsh , i know. Unfortunately i miss also some criticism by you, because, just stop being sold for dumb, if we are able to critize the market than maybe the market will response. This E3 was in my view a failure, nintendo, sony , and M$ did not deliver any spectacular facts. Instead of fighting each other we must gather and react to the game producers.

They are living because we are gaming ...

Anonymous said...

To IALS

Thank you for agreeing with my statement.
Today i have read that the Zelda version of Wii did run on a gamecube. That means that the E3 visitors have been fooled. In my view this is nothing negative, because now, i am hoping that maybe nintendo is working on a Zelda which have better looks than the Gamecube version. Nothing is impossible. As a medical student i dont have money to buy an HDTV with a PS3 setting or Xbox 360, it simply impossible. Therefore, it is clear that im going to buy the Wii, but this fact does not prevent my criticism of the Wii. If you love something without criticism than it is not true love, because the mistakes makes something special. Maybe i will say "WOW" when i start my Wii, but now, when i look to the images i'm not. Another fact is, that Nintendo was also a little bit conservative during the conference, i think that they will unveil another secret. They fear that sony could again steal something.

Anonymous said...

@ials


hey graphics isn't important it sucks anyway lol

nintendo rules and they will rule the world!!!!!! and pwn sony and microsoft nintendo's empire is back with a new emperor iwata (lol)

graphics isn't important if the graphics are o so beautyfull then the game sucks!!!!!!

sucks deep!!! (lol) very deep sucking visuals loooool

it's 2006 and nintendo's rivals are using the same controller for 20 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
are reading this!!! 20 years the same conventional controller come on man!!! the same controller!!
i am very happy with nintendo they soon wil pwn the world.

and they haven't revealing anything yet.

the graphics card is almost complete. final devkits are going to arrive in june so wait till tgs best friend and be prepared to say



wow



iwata's quote:

when you turn the console on and see the graphics you will say wow!!!


nintendo's empire returns


it's 1986 all over again!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

So now we know how the Wii works , i have one question. What you you recommend for gaming :

SVHS Cable or RGB ??

Which one is better ???

Grandmaster B said...

You need to relax IALS cause I aint concerned at all. You trip out too much.

BTW to the anonymous who posted this:

As a true gamer i love each system, and therefore im not a fanboy of any system, but stop calling the others like Sony or MS weak !!! Because they arent. For Nintendo they should be more aggressive or they will produce the next zelda for PS4 or the next xbox.

MS, Sony and Nintendo will not be in that position for a very long time. That is a stupid comment.

Nintendo are the only profitable company of the 3 and I highly doubt will put themself in that position in this upcoming generation. Just look on all the gaming sites and see the good press. Even the GC was a profitable system and it was considered a failure (market wise, not profitability wise) so dont give me that Nintendo going 3rd party BS.

Nintendo are a very smart company when it comes to making a profit.

Now to the guy who wants Yamauchi back, correct me if I am wrong but I believe he is still on the board of directors and is still a major share holder. Apparently he was the man behind the DS and he still has some say.

Iwata is doing a great job and has the company heading in the right direction. It is looking very positive and Yamauchi retiring IMO was at the right time.

Now apparently Zelda was running on GC hardware http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100631 if the source is correct.

Red Steel was also rumoured to be running on GC hardware as the Wii version was apparently unstable and was shown behind closed doors. Thats why some people claimed it didnt look the same or as good.

And who knows what else was running on GC hardware.

All I can say E3 is a show to show off your goods, just like Cebit and many other trade shows. I've been to em and know many products are in beta stages and are nto ready only to be shown 6 months later looking so much better developed.

Relax people, Wii games will look better the next time you see them.

pi said...

To IALS

Wii have cpu twice as powerfull as CUBE -that also faster than ps2-. It also have that joysitck that sony can copy only a part of it.

If you like ps3. buy it. And if you fell like to try a new feel of game. Pay 1/3 of ps3 more for Wii.

We think paying for Wii worth. If you not noone force you.

"IF" We have power,games and storage of ps3. Joysitck,games and price point of Wii. We may have only one answer.

Anonymous said...

RGB or SVHS Cable , what delivers better picture quality ?

IALS said...

***KID BLOGSPOT IALS EXCLUSIVE***

________SHED LIGHT VOLUME 1________




Mario,Zelda,Metroid are very good games.
Always have bee always will be,no question

BUT


Matter of fact is they are stiil more appealing to the youth than to adults.


Im not saying that adults dont play these games at all,its just that these games are simply rather aimed at a demographic ranging from 6-20!


Dont get me wrong these games were milestones,we all have fond memories of playing these titles

HOWEVER

Judging from the themes,the colours,
the presentations,these games are clearly aimed at the youth and not adults,no way around it.


See,back then this was no problem at all because Mario bros was a very simple fast forward 2d jump and run
that was enjoyed by a very new and young generation.Same thing with Zelda and Metroid.People who enjoyed these games back then where young individuals you know in the late 80s and 90s.



There was a boom back then when NES and Mega Drive came out of nowhere right off the bat.It was a different situation the industry was still in its fledgling stages.People who were in their late twentys or thirties didnt even notice and jump on the wave.From the beginning Nintendo made their games with the youth in mind in the first instance this demographic was their target sort of like toys were strictly aimed at kids Nintendo aimed games at teenagers they catched them when they grew out of toys.


Thats how Mario and Zelda arised and emerged thats was the spirit the thought behind these great characters they were the means to an end.It was a direct hit,these games met the spirit of the time to the fullest.
But as it turned out time was also their biggest enemy.They didnt stand the test of time.Nintendo was like Peter Pan they had everything under their control everything was going according to plan with NES and SNES they rested on their laurels but unfotunately they failed to take time into account.Time thwarted them!


Time flew,and with it we all got older.Companies started noticing the amazing success Nintendo had in the relatively new home console field.
They started to spy it,analyse it calculate it to the fullest after all you didnt need to bee a visionary to forebode the future potential of interactive entertainment.
And thats exactly what Sony did in the nineties.
They mad the right moves.They knew how to expand the market and how to open it up how to make it attractive
for an older demographic than Nintendos.They knew the potencial cause they also kept an eye on the PC scene which was generally older than the console scene.That gave them the cofidence that games could
also appeal to people in their late
20s or early 30s.What they did was they came up with a cool neutral name "Playstation" they developed a brand that silhouetted against Nintendo style.Playstation was the beginning of the end of Nintendo as number one.They came up with more mature themes,cool themes and styles
and more powerful hardware.They found a market gap.Suddenly games had mass appeal.Nintendo found themselve raped.They never thought that another company could mess with them.They failed to adjust themselve to reinvent themselve to the new circumstances when Playstation hit the shelves.They felt cheated and felt impelled to defy the odds.That was evident ever since the N64s lack of a disk drive which lead Square to Sony for example.



On the one hand it made much more sense to jump on the Sony bandwaggon since the development costs were low er and Sony came to the aid of 3rd parties concerning publishment and on the other hand the brand had simply more potential the Sony style
appealed to a wider older demographic.
Nintendo still hasnt learned from its mistakes not counting Brain Age,Lite,Wii design.


I am not sure maybe they are comfortable with it.Maybe they dont want to appeal to the grown up demographic at all.Because if they really wanted,why havent wee seen
any attempts by them, by NCL by the very man himself,Miyamoto, not Retro or NST, to build strong franchises that really appeal
to that demographic?
Mark my words,I dont talk violent nonsense games!!!
I mean games with believable stories ,worlds and characters!
Strategy games,racing games,action adventure games!
Games like:
Gran Turismo,Pro Evolution Soccer,Age of Empires,ICO,Final Fantasy,Silent Hill,Tekken,Metal Gear Solid,Odd World,Okami etc.



Nintendo needs to proove that they
are good at that too.Nintendo needs to show the world that they can build up franchises as strong as the ones above that are clearly aimed at
mature audiences if they want to be respected!
And that brings me back to Mario,Zelda,Metroid!
Im sure their are many kids or newcomers to gaming that love these games and admire them but for people
like me who grew up with NES its just all water under the bridge now.
And that has nothing to do with how
different the control method is or how different a take it is on the franchise!I think Nintendo can do better than that!
I want them to succeed!
But in order to do that they need
to start making games with a certain sense of maturation that pays hommage to people who supported them from day one but ones with the same impact that Mario and Zelda
had back in the day.


Peace to Kid,D-Bone,910do,Tactics,Grandmaster b,medical student



-IALS

pi said...

... Opps I forgot that I have some nice picture.

http://img5.ranchoweb.com/images/
tedrancho/gamecube_or_wii.jpg

This picture I found at GAF. It's come form E3. Someone play zelda tp (demo) At nintendo boot and it's stop working.

to reboot it someone form nintendo open the box. and some one takeing this picture.

All you already see are 'cube'. just haveing a Wii-mode on.

For the answer ...
if i can get it for free. better is good
BUT.
if I have to pay 3 time more. I think I don't mind.

pi said...

And Wii line in E3 really something. Wee on ps3.

The rest. Just wait.

Oh. If you look at psp and ds you will know other thing. 3rd part move to find best sale. And Wii going to be best sale by it's price.

Grandmaster B said...

PI I already provided a link to that above.

IALS there are so many holes in your points its just not funny.

However I will reply in brief. Sony took the market due to:

1. Final Fantasy 7. Once this came the sales kept on coming.

2. CDROM support was preferred over cartridges.

3. As much as ppl argue about this, a large number of ppl in western market purchased PSX as it was easy to copy games and were easily accessible.

You cant say Nintendo were kiddy. They lost the 3rd party support and it killed them. That 3rd party support that Sony took away from them would of went to Nintendo and they would not have this image today. Wii is coming and its going to change it.