Tuesday, December 20, 2005

Slides reveal first Hollywood details?




These three slides were linked to by an anonymous poster in the comments to my previous post. I want to share them as quickly as possible, that is why I will keep my comments brief.

My first reaction to all of them was that they were fakes. However, I checked the name of the person given in the top one and a Vineet Goel really works for ATI research. They are really based in Orlando, Florida. And his area of expertise really is displaced subdivision surfaces. This strongly suggests that they are real.

The rest of the content could have been faked one way or the other. The backgrounds (the second image showing a streetsign reading ´Broadway´) may have been ripped from some site, the patents mentioned are the ones that have been circulating the community for weeks now. The content seems authentic to me, but even that may have been replicated from somewhere. Each aspect on its own could have been faked rather easily. All aspects combined, though, mean that faking these slides would have been quite a hard job.

Most importantly, though, it would have been almost impossible to simply copy the name of the ATI developer from the web. I had big trouble finding out the address and telephone number of ATI research. There are no such details on the ATI website.

I am now in contact with them and I believe that my request to them was worded cleverly enough to warrant a reply. Moreover one that will give away those slides as either real or fake. Please stick around. I will post the findings as soon as I get them.

What strikes me as odd is that one slide´s title suggests that they have something to do with Famitsu, the Japanese gaming magazine. However, a file name is no indication of anything. I am disregarding this aspect for the moment. Again, my preliminary verdict is that they are real.

EDIT Now, there was mention of the ATI semo ToyShop 1.1.. Thanks to Pekka for finding the link so fast. If you look at the video clip, you will notice that it is the same environment as the backgrounds to slide one and two and the inserts shown in slide three. Yet the camera never shows the screenshot that is the background to the second slide ( I haven´t checked the others). Unless there is another demo in the same environment showing that very still frame, the person who made those slides must have access to the 3D data underlying the demo. As shoddily as the slides are done, it seems very likely to me that these are real.

(I apologize for not being able to post a decent slide from the clip to compare it with the slide. I tried to capture from the clip with every player I got and all I had was the player´s frame and black inside. Sorry.)

EDIT Thanks to an anonymous poster in the comments, there is now this document, which is a Powerpoint presentation in PDF format for the Xenos processor (did I really call it Xenon in the past?). In it, you will find the dinosaur-like creature from slide 1 and almost the entire text verbatim. Also, there is a typo in one of the slides, something I looked out for but overlooked. Finally, the count on the texture array slide is wrong (counting from 0 to 128 equals 129 faces). All kudos to Anonym. I guess that proves this fake. I should be even more careful in the future. I rarely take a shot like this one. But I had such a hard time finding out whether ATI even has a research lab in Orlando (let alone finding an address and telephone numbers) that I couldn´t imagine some faker getting there before me.

However, there is still the issue of the demo screenshot, which makes me wonder. But I guess that will be found in time.

Sources: Slide 1, Slide 2, Slide 3
Thanks to: Anonymous

52 comments:

BIGMIGZero said...

I have seen this those pictures months ago. They where ripped from an ATI tech demo movie for one of there GPU. I dont think these can be real if that is so.

Falafelkid said...

As I said in my comments before: i don´t understand how someone could have come up with the right name, the right field of study and the right place. That is hard to find stuff.

Pekka said...

Glad you're doing some real research. Keep us posted.

XtremeGamer99 said...

Look very interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if it was real. Looks stunning nontheless.

Anonymous said...

bigmigzero- I know what tech demo you are talking about. I think it is called Toybox or Toyland, but are you saying that you saw the actual slides before or that you only saw the pictures? And Falafelkid, what do you think the second slide means?

d said...

I've told people before I felt GameCube was equivalent to New Coke and Revolution could be Coca Cola Classic.

In case anyone doesn't know people have said for years that Coke released their "New Coke" with a remixed recipe to stir intrest in the original formula, and thus they came out with the old recipe again and it put Pepsi in their place. It made a good joke on Futurama.

What I'm saying is that GameCube was all filler while they worked on the true successor to the N64 for years putting all that energy we felt was absent in GC software towards Revolution. Evidence: the GameCube controller.

francois said...

look at the "ATI" in the third pic. the top of the A is cut off because someone badly photoshopped the Nintendo logo over it.

also in the second pic, the hollywood logo on the bottom right is a mess. the hollywood part and the "G.P.U" part look like they were photoshopped next to eachother. in fact, the "G.P.U" is blurrier than the "hollywood."

im guessing it was some other ATI graphics presentation that someone photoshopped to make it look nintendo-ish

majik12 said...

I agree that it was photoshoped to llok like its nintendo

Anonymous said...

They spelled development wrong (as "developement").

I think it's fake too. Someone just used some pre-existing slides, photoshopped them, and chose what we all want to see.

Anonymous said...

The tech demo video doesn't show the top part of the image shown in the slides. It looks to me as though that image wasn't simply taken from the downloadable tech demo video as a still. Not that it means anything, just struck me as odd.

Still think it's fake though!

Anonymous said...

It seems weird that the graphic for the texture arrays (slide 2) show 0, 1, ... 128. This would mean a total of 129 items in the array. Strange error.

Arsenis said...

Falafelkid i think you made those...

- nintendo logos cut out really bad.
- Hollywood G.P.U sign.
- Broadway sign.
- misspelling.


Dude Come ON.

Arsenis said...

seriousgamers007 on your blog. RSS

Its wierd that as soon as those pics came out you made an article.

and so over protective, as if they are real.

LSSLAVE said...

arsenis... he is just commenting on things he has found for christ sakes.

He takes shots at supposed fakes and NEVER claims anything as facts, he only brings things to people attention.

Not that youd know that since yo act like a moron :)

Anonymous said...

See this
http://www.ati.com/developer/eg05-xenos-doggett-final.pdf
it prove this is fake :(

Arsenis said...

@Isslave

I dunno why you kiss so much @$$ but i said "i think you did'em" just like the joke he had about Serious Gamer on this site.
I respect his Blog and I'm not trying to be disrespectful.

Anonymous said...

The third picture is a dead give away to these not being for the Revolution. The top of ATI is cut off by what looks like the Nintendo logo pasted onto the original picture.

Falafelkid said...

Hi everyone. Wow, I guess I need to be even more critical in the future. And respect to Anonymous for finding that Xbox360 document and all those little errors. I guess that proves this fake.

I rarely take a shot like this one. But I had such a hard time finding out whether ATI even has a research lab in Orlando (let alone finding an address and telephone numbers) that I couldn´t imagine some faker getting there before me.

However, there is still the issue of the screenshot, which makes me wonder. But I guess that will be found in time. Thanks everyone and goodnight. I´m off to bed now.

Anonymous said...

todos ustedes son una bola de pendejos y ese isslave le chupa la verga al falafelkid.

Anonymous said...

You guys can't see the forest for the trees. Folks here seem to think Nintendo has some secret advanced alien graphical techique that will put into their new hardware and then do what? Make their console as powerful as a 360? Absurd.

Graphical techniques are a dime a dozen.

HereticPB said...

I explanied those pictures in the post below. Look in the comments for my name.

From the X1800 Demo which you can download at ATI.com I'll get the link.

The images are photoshopped you can see it if you zoom in on the pictures.

HereticPB said...

link to my comments

HereticPB said...

Here is the video of the toyshop demo.

Demo ToyShop

And here are two more before somebody comes out with more BS info involving the videos.

By the way give Falafelkid a break.

noxy said...

good investigation falafelkid.

i think it is quite plausible that any company would have a slide show that wasnt "perfect" so people looking for flaws like that should take a different angle maybe

Grandmaster B said...

Arsenis, well you are being disrespectful by making jokes for one, and two I dont know why you are joking about it in the first place.

All Fal did was swallow before he chewed his food.

rhopa said...

good investigation!
If these pics are fake, the guy who made this is just a poor graphic designer.

*first post but long time reader - thanks for your job!*

Darkenedjib said...

Hmm, I'm doubtful too. If it were really someone from ATI, would he/she post with their real name?

Interesting post though :).

Juliano5 said...

I wonder if this patent has already been discussed,let me know:

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220050237323%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20050237323&RS=DN/20050237323

Luca S. (Italy) said...

I read your interesting blog everyday so keep on the good work! Thanks for the good job!

Falafelkid said...

Hi Juliano5. It has. In fact, I discussed the patent at length. Find it here.

Falafelkid said...

Though I must add that I have changed my mind since posting. I now believe that this patent relates to either displacement or parallax mapping. In order to implement such techniques, it is vitally important to reduce models and textures to what the player can actually see. In fact, most explanations of these techniques show illustrations that look exactly like those in the patent. So the patent does not reveal anythign about possible 3D projection.

Arsenis said...

I apologise if i offended anyone, specially falafelkid.

but its funny that Falafelkid didn't even said anything and who got offended wasn't him from what i can tell, so i dont know if he got mad at my comment, so if you could accept my apology.

i'll refrain myself from any kind of comments of that category in the future.

isslave and grandmaster b, i promise no more sarcasm do to the fact that on a written statement ppl cant tell if you are joking or actually complaining.

i would also like for falafelkid to erase my blog name from his links, Arsenis' Blog - to new to tell!
and see that i didnt get mad at that comment.

Arsenis said...

alright lets forget 'bout the past brand new start.

Blizz419 said...

lol um ok then lol

d said...

Fake, real, fake, real...there is a freaking sign in the background of the second picture that reads Broadway; why else would ATI put that there?

Does a sloppy paste job with the Nintendo name automatically mean they're all fake, maybe someone at ATI is responsible for the rushed photoshop; I mean it has to be edited at some point to get the logos on there even if it's real. Perhaps these were never meant to be seen by the public; maybe that is why there was not care taken with the photo editing.

Taylor said...

If they were going to be seen by ANYONE, the alleged ATi employee would have made major considerations for the arrangement of text and pictures, consciously or not. Once you understand even the rudiments of graphic design, you develop a natural inclination to make things look good. These slides are horribly put-together: text overlaps photos in a totally inconsistent manner, tiny pictures are scattered about like they were thrown into a salad shooter, there is no discernable color scheme, and there is no balance. These were obviously thrown together by a complete buffoon, and certainly not an employee of a large, well-to-do corporation like ATi.

Thunder Emperor said...

the question we should as is if there is a patent for indirect texturing filed by nintendo.

can anyone find that out.
and how recent was the patent filed

Kevin said...

Falafelkid, I hate to ask this of you (and I couldn't find any contact info for you) but I was wondering if I sent you a good size list of questions if you could email them to Pablo Belonte. I wanted to do an updated interview with him. You could just simply send me his email address and I could go about this like that but I figured I would ask for your help. If you are interested you can find my contact info on ZogDog. I realise his original language is Spanish so I will have to translate the questions into Spanish but I just wanted to ask him a bunch of questions relating to his ON masterpiece. Anyways if your interested contact me and I will make a list of questions and forward them to you. If you have his email address and could just forward that to me that would be much easier. Of course I won't give it out to anyone.


-Kevin
The Revolution Lifestyle

Stomped said...

Falafelkid

I recommend you to have a look at this blog:

http://revolutionspecs.blogspot.com/

That n5_dev dude has very interesting statements, he even predicted (but in a very vague fashion) the controller and now he is firmly saying than there is a Visor (like "On") but it will be an add-on for the Revolution.. Yeah, it sound very fake, but he explain it more deeply, not like others crooks like Osoko, SG007, etc...

From all the "fakes" blogs, this one is the most interesting, and I even think he is for real, but you can't be sure...

Read from the start and even the commentaries, they are very interesting, even if they turn to be fake

Anonymous said...

FALAFELKID YOU MUST LOOK AT THIS RIGHT NOW!!! NO QUESTIONS JUST LOOK AT IT! http://www.soifall.net/zelda/

I have never heard of this magazine, but it looks like a real magazine and a real magazine would have to be very sure to publish something this amazing.

Kevin said...

I think the scary part of N5_Dev is the fact that just a few days ago I asked him if Zelda would support the Revolution and he told me yes it would support the controller...

Earlier on ZogDog well before TGS he said that the controller would be in 2 parts. One for moving and ne for aiming and he gave a FPS for an example. Strange coincidences?

Stomped said...

Well, I guess it's not.
Maybe the guy it's real...
But I don't know. I still have my doubts... Considering Pablo Belmonte as part of a viral marketing is absurd, I read every post that guy made (since I know Spanish PS: I can help you Kevin, with the translation if you are going to interview him, add me via MSN: fred [at] mercanoelmarciano.com) and he actually bash Nintendo for various things...

And anyway, I STILL have my doubts about N5_Dev: in one comment he says he is japanese, and more recently he posted that he was born in France...

Anonymous said...

I can confirm that the NGC magazine is real and does exist. I've always seen it on newsstand but never picked it up because its too expensive for me to pick up and besides most of the info I will see on the magazine is already out. IIRC, every issue also includes a DVD and this magazine is from Europe which is why its so expensive compared to other gaming magazines.

Raphael said...

I can also confirm, that the NGC magazine is real. It´s from UK / england.


And Nintendo would be foolish, if they aren`t going to make it this way. That`s what I wrote in forums months ago. :-P

Raphael said...

This one is cool:

"Link also has a finishing move – a jumping, downward stab against any grounded enemies. Surely nothing could be more satisfying than knocking an opponent off its feet before stabbing your freehand controller hard towards the ground. Gritting your teeth and making growling noises while you do it is, of course, entirely optional." ;-)

Raphael said...

"We know from the game´s opening level that Link can row a canoe with a paddle, but can you use the controller to make the same movements, propelling you along? Sure, it`ll make you look like a right idiot, but hey, in the privacy of our own bedrooms, we can get away with anything. Lock the door, folks. Lock the door." ;-)

Nick said...

On the NGC Zelda scans: I don't think anybody doubts that this issue of the magazine is real and on the stands, but its credibility is a whole other matter entirely. You'll notice that every shot of Twilight Princess is lifted straight from captures of the E3 demo sequences, and all the "exclusive" information - uses for the controller, the Revolution release date - are little different from the state of Internet speculation at press time.

I also highly, highly doubt the game will be pushed closer to November rather than seeing release in April. It's already not selling any Cubes, and a move like that wouldn't come unless Nintendo decided to take an extra half-year to bump the game to Revolution (itself not likely, because interface design comes so early in the development process).

NGC is an independent magazine - in their own words, "100% unofficial". The only way they'd beat an official publication to the punch would be if they scored a juicy exclusive interview, and they don't have a single quote to support that.

Not fake, but not true.

therealabdallah said...

N5_Dev is the real deal for sure. No doubt about it. Too many things fit together for him to be a scam.
I also believe the theory about this whole blog thing being viral marketing.

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