Sunday, January 30, 2011

Sony NGP announced, likely to lose to 3DS

Thursday saw the announcement of the successor to Sony’s PlayStation Portable, codenamed NGP or  ´Next Generation Portable´. Up until now, I was busy producing this report about all devices scheduled for 2011 (in German). As expected, the device will feature an OLED display and impressive hardware power. Apparently, porting PS3 games over to the new handheld will be a simple task and content does not have to be scaled down much. The only real innovation lies in the controls. Besides two analogue sticks and a directional pad, the NGP will feature a touch-sensitive panel on the back of the device. It also comes with built-in 3G for online gaming and downloads, although I have significant doubts whether 3G is fast and reliable enough for constant connections.

What is interesting is that Sony is developing a two-tier strategy in this field. Alongside the NGP, the company has announced the ´PlayStation Suite´, a new marketplace with less hardware hungry PlayStation titles, aimed at Android smartphones and tablets with a set of minimum specifications. Undoubtedly, the yet-to-be-announced ´Xperia Play´ by Sony Ericsson will be one of those devices. The underlying idea seems to be that ´PlayStation Suite´ will be the bait to get users to eventually buy an NGP for the full experience. The new marketplace is also expected to connect the Android devices with the NGP and the PlayStation3.

While it seems at first that Sony is employing a completely different philosophy to Nintendo here – pursuing perfection of existing technologies rather than innovation – there are also some similarities between the NGP and Nintendo’s 3DS, which will be available at the end of March in Europe and North America.

Both devices feature augmented reality games and social services. The NGP will offer ´Near´, which shows other owners in your vicinity, what they are playing and how far they have played. The service will also record your own movements. The 3DS will offer ´Streetpass´, which automatically connects to other devices near you to transfer data and virtual goods (similar to the tag mode in ´Animal Crossing: Wild World´ or ´Dragon Quest IX´). While some experts point out that such features are really only effective in Japan, where a large part of the population lives in densely populated areas, whereas they will be practically useless on other territories, the issue of data protection remains. These handhelds will require careful adjustments of the privacy settings, which will hopefully be in place, to make sure the owner actually wants to share his data.

I already asked the question whether the 3DS will hit markets too late and at too high a price. With the NGP officially announced for the holiday season 2011 and a delay until spring 2012 a likely move given Sony's track record, I no longer believe that the 3DS will come too late. The price of around $250/€250 remains painfully high, though. Especially given how the 3DS lacks the high class finish of the DSi XL or, indeed, the NGP. It will sell well regardless, but I would have preferred a price point of $200/€200 for consumers to buy the device without remorse.
Analysts expect the NGP to be even more expensive, at $300/€300 or above. Regardless of how well produced the device will feel, this will price Sony out of the market, for sure. I do not think that anyone who will play the odd casual PlayStation game on his Android device will want to invest that much into a dedicated gaming device. I certainly would not. It takes an innovative and unique feature like 3D to convince me to spend this type of amount and I will do so only grudgingly. Also, the NGP will encourage plenty of ports from the PlayStation3. So I expect a fair bit of cannibalisation between the new handheld and its home console sibling. While I expect ´PlayStation Suite´ to be a fairly successful service, the NGP is almost bound to fail and sell even less than its predecessor. The 3DS, albeit at a steep price, will sell extremely well, though. My guess is that Nintendo will sell more than 20 million units in 2011. The company expects to sell four million units in the first four weeks of availability in Japan with barely a week's availability in Europe and North America.

EDIT Codemasters CEO Rod Cousens has weighed in on the debate about the NGP price saying that "my hope is sub £200 (...) but I suspect something in the £229 - £249 [range] to be more likely." He continued that Sony had learnt "the lesson of over-engineered hardware" with regard to the original PSP. They have indeed and more obviously so with the PlayStation3. Back in 2006, they were losing up to $300 on each unit sold. Meanwhile, GameStop has posted an estimated price of $999,99 for the device, probably as a marketing trick, but taken the site down since then.

EDIT Now, Ubisoft's executive director of EMEA, Alain Corre, has gone on record to say that he expects an attractive price for the NGP: "I trust Sony to know their market very well and to be able to offer a price that will make their machine attractive. (...) If Sony can capture this huge market - and they do have a unique offer for that market with the NGP - then success will definitely be on the agenda for them."

I absolutely agree. As long as Sony manages to keep the price below €300 / $300, the device will sell successfully, I believe. But, comparing the 3DS and NGP, if you have to pay a premium for a machine that offers, albeit far more detailed, 2D graphics only, Sony will not be able to convince enough punters for the console to become a success.

58 comments:

Anonymous said...

Are the 3DS and NGP really competing? These devices seem to be targeted at very different audiences. I really don’t want to hear about another “console war”, especially one for handhelds.

Personally I think that both devices seem amazing, it is defiantly a great time for video games. I do agree that much of the success of the NGP will come down to price. Sony said that there would be different tiers of NGP, only one would offer 3G. This gives me the hope that they will release a competitively priced “core” unit. Another key factor will be software, if the NGP has titles that take advantage of its unique feature such as front/rear multi-touch panels along with its robust online capabilities then it may be able to carve out a pretty large market for itself.

E3 will defiantly be interesting this year.

Anonymous said...

12 months behind, no dual screen, no 3D , no 3D camera, no 3D media,no backward compatibility,previous model failed,weird silly touch panels that offer nothing,

i think a total failer is on the cards add advancing smartphones and tablets and continued apple i product success

psp2/NGP is a waste of time and money and it shall end up like ps3 at very best

Anonymous said...

multi touch on a single screen will never match up to the DS dual screen standards and no next gen 3D sony gets it all so wrong yet again

Anonymous said...

didn't even read the article but all I can say is that 3ds toys are us gimmick lowres kiddy toy is dead on arrival lol!!!

I mean howe do you want to compete with a handheld machine that is like 100 times morte powerful looks like a million times better just from a design persepctive.

The 3ds is such a joke its unf*****believable really!!

It looks so emberassingly bad!

I wont buz it. In fact I wont buz anz nintendo product anzmore in the future as long as thez wanna sell me ancient technologz in cheap tozs are us plastic exterior lol

Anonymous said...

That last comment was a joke, right?

Fook said...

Falafelkid, I agree with your thoughts about the two handhelds.
On the one hand you have the user (notable not a "player") who likes his shiny new tech, but he normaly turns to the newest Iphone/Ipad/android - handhelt and plays with games as much as with the general app.
On the other we have the player that looks for the newest gimmick (in the right sense of the word i.e. new ingenious tech) to make the games pop-out (pun intended) and be more fun. It´s all about the interface.

jerry said...

"psp2/NGP is a waste of time and money and it shall end up like ps3 at very best"

Ha, if it ends up like the PS3 then we can expect great things.

The ps3 has easily the best exclusive line up of any console out. Great quality games that appeal to all kinds of gamers, Mod Nation Racers, Little Big Planet, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, MLB: The Show, etc. It goes on and on.

Keep playing favorites though, all you're doing is forcing yourself to miss out on great games.

jerry said...

Can we avoid the doom and gloom articles for a moment, it's not 2007.

Saying the NGP is bound to fail due to it's unannounced/speculated price is quite silly. Look at the Ipad and how it sells. That thing has models that go for upwards of 800 dollars. Yes it's a handy device but the majority of the people who buy it just want to access the app store, which is flooded with an unlimited supply of hot garbage.

Everyone knows the 3DS is going to dominate the NGP, it's a nintendo handheld, no one stands a chance. The NGP is catered towards a completely different demographic though and if Sony markets the NGP correctly and prices it near what the 3DS is going for, they'll definitely give nintendo a run for their money.

That's a good thing too, competition is good in the videogame industry. It causes people to work harder and to think outside the box, lest we get flooded with worthless plastic instruments and recycled FPS games year after year.

I'm buying both handhelds and both are going to be awesome.

Anonymous said...

2d graphics only lllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

ngp is 10d compared 3dtoysareus lol

Grandmaster B said...

no 3d? is this for real? then there is not a huge deal about ps3 games coming to it as most ate 3d anyway. I think leaving that out will hurt them mostly cause ps fanboys are graphic shores so it can only make me conclude that this system is going to be very competively priced...especially since its missing a 3d component reducing its mass production price.though with added 3g and multi touch it may balance that out.

nintendo won't have an issue selling 3ds...and Sony won't be their major competitor on this medium...it will be from Apple devices.

Anonymous said...

il gladly wager that 3ds userbase by year 2 for 3DS and year 1 for NGP is at least 4 to 1 in 3DS favor

at least if not far far far more the whole DIFFERENT MARKETS THING IS SAD LITTLE FANBOYS MAKING EXCUSES FOR WHATS TO COME

Anonymous said...

game device handheld vs game device handheld is not different markets

NGP FAIL IS FAIL NOT A COUGH DIFFERENT MARKET

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKBTQHbKTg0&feature=related

LOOK AT HOW AWKWARD IT IS TO HOLD AND USE THE CONTROLS AND THE HOLDING OF THE UNIT ARE SIMPLY HILARIOUS

Falafelkid said...

Hi Anonymous.

LOOK AT HOW AWKWARD IT IS TO HOLD AND USE THE CONTROLS AND THE HOLDING OF THE UNIT ARE SIMPLY HILARIOUS

You might want to skip those caps, there. Anyway, I think it is obvious he is holding it like that intentionally, so as to not obscure the view and allow people to actually see the device. Let us not forget: if Sony are good at something it is beautiful and ergonomically sound industrial design. The original PlayStation controller is perfectly designed.

jerry said...

Falafelkid,

I think you might find this interesting.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/04/rumor-ngp-developers-encouraged-to-go-cross-platform/

Did the people from NibRis ever respond to your questions? I've been dying to read your article for some 3 years now. ha.

Anonymous said...

resident evil 5 running on 3DS in 3D confirmed by capcom SO NGP EXTRA POWER COMES TO NOTHING AS PS3 LEVEL CODE ON A PORTABLE SCREEN IS MEANINGLESS AS 3DS WILL JUST USE ANOTHER TECH OR APPROTCH TO MAKE THE SAME EFFECT ON A PORTABLE SCREEN YOU WOULDNT NOTICE AND ADD 3D NGP HASNT A CHANCE VS 3DS

why use tech and expence of ps3 on a 60 inch HD tv to build a portable system game wen the same DESIRED EFFECT can be done on 3DS with less expence and in 3D anything psp2 does in raw tech power the 3DS can also do with minor changes =COMMONSENSE capcom are clearly making this point with there res evil 5 on 3DS statment and there

street fighter 3d 3ds statment it looks like a x360 version but cheats here and there to pull it of because of a small screen and optermization you think its just like HD twins version AND ITS 3D

psp2 hasnt a hope WAKE UP

Anonymous said...

3DS also has HARD WIRED HOT WIRED EFFECTS/ABILLITYS THAT JUST WORK “““POWER”””” DOESNT COME INTO IT AS HIGHLY POLISHED HARDWARE EFFECTS WILL ALWAYS OUT PERFORM PROGRAMMED EFFECTS THATS WHY NINTENDO PACKS THE HARDWARE WITH EFFICENT FLEXIBLE FIXED FUNCTION EFFECTS CONBINED WITH PROGRAMABILLITY FULLY PROGRAMMABLE WASTES POWER AS FROM SOFTWARE IS NEVER CLOSE TO HARDWARE BASED WEN TALKING PUNCH FOR POUND PERFORANCE NINTENDO UNDERSTANDS THIS

EVERY SINGLE NGP ARTICLE AND STATMENT HAS THE WORD SHADER IN IT

IS IT POWER OR MARKETING DRIBBLE

Anonymous said...

the video wiiboy101 posted clearly shows a loose awkward and uncomfortable holding position fingers bearly touching the underside and thumbs right out wide on the analog sticks one little nudge NGP is smashed on the floor thats obvious

then add the rub tummy smack head whilst juggling 7 apples weird way in witch you have to RE-POSITION to flick ur fingers over a sensless rear side panel

then add having to remove a hand from the analog stick to touch the lag screen

now imagine uncharted on 3DS st all times one thumb on analog stick and other stylus on touchscreen no STOP AND REPOSITION NO WEIRD HOLDING POSITION AND NO TRANSFER OF FINGERS THUMBS HANDS TO CHANGE CONTROLS

TOUCH SCREEN WOULD HANDLE ALL CAMERA AND TOUCH CONTROLS ANALOG STICK THE CHARACTOR MOVMENT AND MAYBE A SHOULDER BUTTON FOR SAY FIRING WEAPONS AND SOME BASIC TILTING WITH NO HAND REPOSITIONING, NO PAUSING,AND UNIT HELD FIRMLY IN UR GRIP.....

I THINK LIKE A GAMER NOT A HARDLY CORE

jerry said...

The uncharted demo with the touch controls was clearly just a tech demo, don't be stupid.

I don't understand why you keep coming with an argument that graphics don't matter. No one is claiming the NGP is going to be a better handheld because f the graphics. I haven't read anywhere about the NGP being the better machine. People are excited about it because it's a new handheld from Sony.

Say what you want but the PSP was nowhere near a failure. It's sold 64+ million units. That is nowhere near a failure.

You can talk gloom and doom all you want. I'd love to have a handheld that I can play uncharted, resistance, killzone & etc on. It's going to be an awesome handheld. If you don't want it, oh well. In the end it'll be your loss.

Anonymous said...

any handheld gaming device released post 3DS that doesnt offer 3D

cannot be descibed as NEXT GENERATION

any handheld gaming device that released after the original DS that doednt have dual-screen is OBSOLETE

these fundamental FACTS seem to not exist in sony fanboys head

psp had no dualscreen or touch screen and ran from out dated discs there for it was sony taking on GAMEBOY in a DS era FACT

NGP again fails to address dual screen tactile touch instead offers a phone like set up and fails and obsoletes its self WITH NO 3D

psp was outdated before it even started the same applys to NGP vs 3Ds....

Anonymous said...

if im living in a no glasses 3D handheld era WHY WOULD I BUY A OUTDATED NO 3D DEVICE

if im living in a dualscreen tactile liwer screen 16x9 3d upper screen era WHY WOULD I BUY A SINGLE SCREENED HANDHELD

this is basic shit guys to suggest anything else IS SONY FANBOY DEFENSE FORCE MUCH

and rather PATHETIC if you ask me REAL GAMERS WOULD SLATE SONY FIR THIS

Anonymous said...

if sony released a handheld with no screen the fanboys would defend it BLINDLY as they always do

look how moronic they looked defending sixaxis sony fans aint even core gamers they play FPS on sixaxis/dualshock yet hide behind the word HARDCORE im sick to the back teeth with there BS

Anonymous said...

some tech guys have been talking graphics saturation and small screens

basically confirming what wiiboy in his caps lock rants has already stated...

the ngps power advantage looses crrdabillity as on tiny average resolution screens you soon hit DEMINISHING RETURNS FOR YOUR POWER as your eys simply wont notice it and 3DS is already hitting near ps3/x360 visual experience's and offers it in 3D...NGP is offering no 3D and extra power that doesnt result in anything of value on such screens add cheating NGP like top level effects will be easy on 3DS as smaller screens allow for more eye fooling trickery so to the human eye it looks like 3DS is ps3 power or something BASICALLY NGP IS A LIE is what there saying and such outragous specs will be wasted in such a small area

nintendo new this and engineered 3DS to be just right and any attempt by sony to HARDCORE SPEC RACE HYPE AGAINST 3DS will be pointless

its called commonsense...

Some Guy said...

@Jerry

I pretty much agree with everything that you have said. The NGP looks like it will be a great portable system as does the 3DS and that is why I am getting both (I already pre-ordered the 3DS).

It puzzles me that some people insist on participating in these so-called “console warz”. Why not just enjoy the games that you buy the consoles for in the first place.

jerry said...

"It puzzles me that some people insist on participating in these so-called “console warz”. Why not just enjoy the games that you buy the consoles for in the first place."


Exactly, I own the psp and the ds. I love both, I use my DS more but the psp is still a great handheld. I hate the stupid console wars people go on about. There's no need for it. Not everyone has the same taste in games and all 3 platforms offer great exclusives.

To each their own.

Falafelkid said...

Hi Jerry.

I think you might find this interesting.

It is. If Sony can really play out the interoperability feature between NGP and PS3, they will deliver on something that Nintendo has, quite frankly, failed on so far. Anyone remember that Pac-Man game that was to use a GameCube console and various GameBoy Advance handhelds? To my knowlegde that never came out. This feature has great potential and could certainly make or break a system like the NGP. I stand by my assessment, though, that Sony only has a chance below the $300/€300 price point.

Did the people from NibRis ever respond to your questions? I've been dying to read your article for some 3 years now. ha.

They did, in fact. And I am just waiting on a response by a Polish economical agency. So, I am quite optimistic that you will be able to read the article very soon.

Anonymous said...

lol what the fuck are you talking about ???if anything it will look sharper on the NGP with such a high resolution on a small screen !!! how is that wasted specs lol?????????????

Anonymous said...

I disagree falafelkid. First that "Pac-Man thing" did get released and was called Pac-Man Vs. It was a connectivity title.

What that story says is that developers are encouraged to make the same games for the PS3 and NGP. This is a horrid plan and exactly why the PSP struggled for so long. The library consisted of mostly watered down PS2 ports. If Similar happens here, it would dampen consumer excitement and auto-cannibalize Sony's market, who wants to buy inferior versions of games that they already own?

Furthermore one of the commentators on that story proffered the idea that you could "take your Ps3 game on the road." This is an idiotic thing to want as that would require somebody to buy a $300 PS3, a $60 PS3 game, a $350-$50 NGP, and another copy of the same PS3 game on NGP, all for the privilege of playing a watered down version of a game for 3 hours outside.

This is stupid, and something the PSP already did with Super Monkey Ball adventure. It was stupid then and it is stupid now.

Falafelkid said...

Hi Anonymous.

I totally agree with your assessment of the PSP's flaws. The PSP, of course, was not a flop as some contend. But it certainly was no success, either.

I disagree falafelkid. First that "Pac-Man thing" did get released and was called Pac-Man Vs. It was a connectivity title.

Fair enough. But the game was never sold. And there were practically no other games that linked Nintendo's handhelds to its home consoles. It is obvious that Nintendo completely missed the opportunity to connect its console lines.

What that story says is that developers are encouraged to make the same games for the PS3 and NGP.

Completely wrong. The rumour clearly stated:

Sony is also insisting that it 'does not want exactly the same game' on NGP and PS3 -- there 'has to be a reason for the NGP title.' 'They want at least some kind of interactivity between the two versions with NGP-only extras.'

And any gamer must admit that the idea would be a great one. Whether Sony can implement it appropriately is another matter. But if they can, Sony has found the ´unique selling point´ they still need for the NGP.

Anonymous said...

Well they didn't get "exactly" the same game on PSP last time. They added a new subtitled and maybe a token new character or something.

Making the exact same game with a little back touch panel control isn't going to "differentiate" the PS3 version from the NGP version.

Anonymous said...

two screens vs one

tactile touchscreen no main screen interferance vs a phone like app screen not for gaming

2d single screen vs 3d main screen tactile second screen

sweet nintendo analog stick and mouse lag free touch screen vs 2 very poor sony analog sticks (fact sonys analogs stick psps nub was unusable)

sdhall i go on

NO 3D = NOT NEXT GEN

NO DUAL SCREEN = NOT NEXT GEN

HOW CAN NOT NEXT GEN BE THE NGP EXPLAIN THAT TO ME AS IM NOT GETING SONYS LIES

THE NAME IS DESPERATE AND SAD CALLING IT NEXT GENERATION TO HIODE THE FACT IT ISNT THATS SOME CLEVER MARKETING SHIT SONY FOR YOUR DUMB ASS FANS

Anonymous said...

so the 3ds is capble of running ps3 x360 type ports in 3d on 3DS

SO EXPLAIN PSP2 NGP PS3 HYPE AS 3DS IS ALSO OFFERING THIS BUT WITH DUAL SCREEN AND 3D

sony a year after 3DS release release a system with slightly higher performance but missing 3D and dual screen and 3D camera etc

IM NOT GETTING IT SONY FANBOYS WHATS THERE TO GET HERE

Anonymous said...

the first person i meet in the street playing a FPS on NGP and calling himself core il kindly ask to stay put and await my return i shall go home pick up a baseball bat go back to the so called hardcore gamer beat him to with in a inch of his life then in a kind voice say look im playing fps on a handheld too with a mouse like touchscreen as my aim and camera NOT A FUCKING OUT DATED SECOND ANALOG STICK YOU INEPT SONY FUCKING FANBITCH

and walk away calmly

ANYONE PLAYS FPS WITHA SECOND ANALOG STICK OVER A MOUSE PAD ISNT A CORE GAMER SO PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP CALLING YOURSELF THAT

does this obvious point not regestor in your brains

NGP ISNT CORE 3DS IS WAKEY FUCKING WEAKEY YOU SO CALED GAMERS

Anonymous said...

im getting wiiboys point and apologize for not getting him previously..

its clear that what wiiboy101 is saying is this, its the second analog stick users calling themselfs core gamers or core fps players, yet wii has a fps wii remote mouse and ds to 3DS has a tactile touchscreen so in fact its the nintendo gamers that are core and the stick twiddlers button bashers who are casual, and i have to agree wiiboy101 your argument is solid and holds water.

if tactile touch screen and proPer gaming design seperates DS 3DS etc from the pack as a TRUE GAMERS vs smartphones and psp and tablets

how can a slab with a single phone like screen be a core gamers device im getting it wiiboy101 and thanks for battering my brain into submission of course your right psp2 is some kind of hack psp meets phone with out the phone it doesnt make sense

Anonymous said...

COD ON PSP QUAKE ON PSP

VS

COD ON DS QUAKE ON DS


fps on psp VS metroid hunters on DS

what is the fundermental differnace here

psp couldnt handle a fps game and adding a second analog is cheap outdated and wrong it still doesnt handle fps in any way like ds

DS metroid hunters all the cods and bond games and that halo demo at ign wen all that halo on DS rumor was around CLEARLY SHOWS DS AS A TRUE FPS DEVICE CONBINING D-PAD WITH MOUSE TOUCH SCREEN

3DS NOW HAS ANALOG AND MOUSE TOUCH SCREEN AND MOTION TILT

PSP2 HAS A SECOND ANALOG IT STIL FAILS TO EVEN REMOTLY COMPARE

THIS ENGINEERING FACT CAN BE APPLIED TO MANY OTHER GAMING STYLES NOT JUST FPS

why would a CORE GAMER choose a weak plastic second nub OVER A TACTILE LAG FREE MOUSE LIKE TOUCH SCREEN

again proven sony fans are D'casuals

jerry said...

Anon,

The whole casual / hardcore debate is over. People haven't talked about that for about 2 years now. Yes, the wii sells boatloads but no one cares about it anymore. Most people have moved on and you rarely hear developers talking about the wii and how they're trying to crack the 1st party code. The 360/PS3 are almost equal in terms of hardware sales and developers are happy making games for those systems. The wii will continue to sell well but it's old news. People have moved on and no one really cares.

Anonymous said...

Funny way of people showing that they don't care about Wii, considering that it was still the #1 console last year despite all the hype saying it was finished.

Also you say...

"Most people have moved on and you rarely hear developers talking about the wii and how they're trying to crack the 1st party code"

What is this "1st party code?" Is this some sort of crack about third party games not selling on Wii? Well obviously one has to look at the caliber of games released to find that out.

It seems like the majority of 3rd parties released a bunch of casual low-budget crap, whereas Nintendo released a lot of high quality games in almost every genre.

The only reason 3rd parties have "given up" is because their crappy games failed to hoodwink the Wii's audience. Cue the insane sales of Wii Fit versus the anemic sales of all of their competitor's copycat clones. Cue Wii Sports Resort thrashing all comers, including embarrassing "Me too" titles from Sony and MS.

Maybe they should try making quality games first, and make an effort to have all the games they make be quality. See, somebody is going to pull a good 3rd party game for Wii that didn't do well out of their ass and use it as a rubric, completely ignoring other factors like the reputation of said third party to Wii owners.

For example, Red Steel 2, despite being a great game, failed to move units. By itself this looks bad, but when you look at all the games UBISoft published over the years, it makes clear sense that they mostly published trash. Who would buy another game from them?

And hahah "most people have moved on." Hilarious.

Anonymous said...

wiiboy101 you speak the truth as always, twin stick fiddlers and there obsession with the tag HARDCORE gamer yet they dont embrace the future and core mouse like controls and fanboy the always broked silly twin-stick system, witch nintendo hate as it was never really the answer a analog under the left thumb and a mouse/motion type system in the right hand was always the correct way notice how the cube pad had a analog and a c-stick rather than two analogs clearly nintendo new that wasnt the answer for the future of games control... funny both actual gaming companys sega/nintendo were dead against second analog sticks and the software company MS and the general electric company sony embrased it after nintendo led the way in control design because they completly lacked any gameplay control innovations of there own,, a easy to use mouse system plus motion interaction utterly shits on twin sticks yet sony and MS fans wont admit it and swear twin sticks not mouse is core!!!! after playing black ops on wii sorry il never play fps with sticks again its wooden, slow,mechanical,restrictive,and software assisted its horrible also you have to scroll the controller as if your scolling a web page Very outdated wiimote and stylus touchscreens are a whole other level of polish and tactile control

Hard-cores choose nintendo not a kettle camera coffee machine maker COUGH SONY

Anonymous said...

ubisoft making shit games HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ARGUMENT if your talking CORE look at how good COD/BOND/METROID PRIME 3 did/do on wii

ubisofts shitfest games are nothing to do with CONTROLLER ENGINEERING FACT

fact no mouse=not core

fact no dualscreen=obsolete

fact no 3D=obsolete these FACTS dont disapear because you fan sony

Anonymous said...

wiiboy101 has always tried to educate on the casual/core lie,people just ether dont get it or are so sony fanboy jusy dont want to listen. i wish you would do a web site or blog wiiboy101 your on the ball and clearly think deeply about this stuff and always aim for a commonsense answer you clearly understand gameplay and gaming and distruption and blue ocean tactics why wont you do a site please.
regarding what you said in terms of power and small screens and NGP being all hype HIGH VOLTAGE have spilt the beans on 3DS calling it a wii plus basically a wii level device plus more shader/texture/light abillitys and more power/ram to a much smaller screen and slightly lower resolution and of course all 3DS desplays being identical this is a lot of power and abillity for 3.5 inches and peak 800x240p resolution this is why ps3/x360 looking stuff is doable in 3D at a solid framerate they seemed uninterested in NGP lol,better than wii graphics built for the small screen filtered and AA with spit and polish and 3D will very much look like a high end ps3 game conbined with sweet controls yummy..

Falafelkid said...

Hi Jerry.

Yes, the wii sells boatloads but no one cares about it anymore. Most people have moved on and you rarely hear developers talking about the wii and how they're trying to crack the 1st party code.

That is absolutely not true. Finally, third parties are dominating the Wii platform. The best-selling games on Wii in 2010 were:

1. ´Just Dance 2´ (Ubisoft)
2. ´Super Mario Galaxy 2´ (Nintendo)
3. ´Donkey Kong Country Returns´ (Nintendo)
4. ´Epic Mickey´ (Disney)
5. ´Michael Jackson The Experience´ (Ubisoft)
6. ´uDraw Studio´ (THQ)
7. ´Wipeout: The Game´ (Activision)
8. ´Lego Harry Potter: Years 1-4´ (Warner Bros.)
9. ´Call of Duty Black Ops´ (Activision)
10. ´Wii Party´ (Nintendo)

That list speaks a clear language as far as third party success on the Wii platform is concerned. Every major publisher will want a piece of this pie, you can be sure of that.

jerry said...

When I said "No one cares..." I still stand by that. I rarely see in the press anymore people talking about the wii and how the core is hard to appease, etc. Back in 07-08 you would see stuff like that all the time from developers and publishers.

Of course third party support has gotten better, goldeneye is a great game, and why is that? Because they made a quality shooter that is accessible to anyone (motion controls/classic controller support). They didn't scratch their heads for months and try to figure out some dumb motion gimmick, they pretty took the FPS formula that has been profitable for years and applied it to the wii.

What I meant by the "1st party code" wasn't a crack on 3rd party support. For a while there, developers were trying so hard to figure out why nintendo's games would sell boat loads but theirs wouldn't.

Also, with the "people don't care" statement. I also meant that for gamers in general. In 07-08 you saw a lot of fanboys duking it out on the message boards about the whole "casual/core" debate. You rarely see that now, if ever on gaming forums. People have accepted the wii for what it is and moved on.

It's no longer this enigma that was confusing the entire videogames industry.

Also, if you compare the lists from the Wii, PS3 & 360, it speaks loudly of the wii's userbase.

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"Also, if you compare the lists from the Wii, PS3 & 360, it speaks loudly of the wii's userbase."

Not really. Lots of "serious" games are in Nintendo's Top games, like NSMB Wii and Zelda, Mario Galaxy, etc. Just because 3rd parties were able to eke out a few million sellers early on with low budget tripe at bargain bin prices, mostly knocking off Nintendo successful games, doesn't mean that's what the userbase "wants." It's just all they made for years until it just stopped tricking people. then they cancelled everything.

The rest of your post was back-tracking that isn't worth commenting on.

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