Tuesday, September 13, 2005

The final word

I am going to be on holiday this week - just when the Revolution will be presented. Talk about perfect timing, eh? Anyway, I´m leaving the day after tomorrow - and no, it´s not to Tokyo, if you are asking - so I guess this will be the final word before the Revolution will be revealed, most likely during Iwata´s speech before the TGS. This is why I want to use this post to summarize all key points we have been discussing here during the last three and a half months. As it´s a summary, I won´t back up everything I write or link to sites. You can find all the details in the relevant posts below. I will also finally abandon all fine journalistic tradition and plainly state my opinion and pure belief in this piece. It´s just a few days until we all get to see who was right, so I might as well ;P

THE EVIDENCE

* The console stand: It´s slanted, which must be more than a mere design feature, because it makes the console more likely to be knocked over. In my mind, this would suggest that the console is ´pointing up´ at the player. This would in turn suggest some kind of direct interaction, more specifically a data exchange, between console and controller, e.g. some kind of projection method.

* The size: The console will be tiny. This could point towards the plain hardware being not much more powerful than the GameCube. If so, the method of viewing could be the revolutionary ingredient. In fact, there has been a reliable source stating recently that a portable GameCube was at least considered by Nintendo a few years back. The Revolution could be that. At the size of three DVD cases stacked, it will be a fairly portable device anyway. And given some kind of 3D projection, even a portable Revolution would still compete with the other home consoles.

* The GCN controller ports: This is one of the weirdest details about the Revolution. The console would only need the old controller if the new controller was something completely different. Either you can only use the new controller only with some games, or the new controller utilizes a technology that some people might want to get a rest from.

* Nintendo quotes: There will be fewer buttons, games will be cheaper and easier to develop. Again, this would suggest less hardware power and some kind of new input technology.


DEVELOPER´S QUOTES

* "Nintendo is waking up."

* "You will be very pleasantly surprised."

* "Never underestimate Nintendo."


THE HYPE

* Nintendo ON: I will finally come out and admit that I have never been convinced that the Nintendo ON clip was fake after all. My interview with Pablo threw up more questions than it answered, the same must be said about the 1up feature. The clip was just too well produced to have been done by one guy in a week. And even if it was done in a week, why did the otherwise excellent clip end so amateurishly? Why does the ON logo resemble a logo Nintendo trademarked in the late eighties and renewed since then? I believe that it´s likely that Nintendo was somehow involved in the clip. I don´t think the ON helmet is a final product - or was ever intended to be one. For that, its looks are just too far off from the console. But I do think this was meant to be an indicator of what the Rev would deliver. It was meant to generate hype and it worked a treat.

* Adverts: All fake.

* Seriousgamer007: Completely fake. No affiliation to anything. Not even to puberty, I guess.

* Pictures of the console in people´s living rooms: All fake. Iwata most likely won´t even show a working prototype during his speech. Games will most likely be running off a dev kit.


POSSIBLE TECHNOLOGIES

* Pressure-sensitive pads: An interesting idea, but nothing huge. Also, there was no conrete evidence fo this technology. I don´t think so.

* Gyroscopes: I treat this technology as a given. Nintendo´s deal with Gyration, Inc. is a pretty good indicator here, though the full amount of involvement has not been disclosed.

* Heat pads: A nice idea, but nothing revolutionary. Again, no concrete evidence.

* Haptics: A patent found in early July suggests haptic feedback. But believing in gyroscopes makes me think that haptics would just be too much. Nintendo cannot include everything. The standard controller can cost no more than $40, I guess.

* Augmented Reality (AR): A real possibility in my opinion. And contrary to popular opinion, this technology is not too expensive to be implemented. While prototypes cost up to $10.000, low-level implementation for the mass-market could cost well below $100 per controller.

* Virtual Reality / Stereoscopic 3D projection: This technology is similar to AR. So the above point about costs is equally valid with regard to this technology. There is no cooperation between Nintendo and eMagin, but there may very well be a cooperation with P.O.C. I rate stereoscopic 3D a likely contender. It´s revolutionary, it allows for gaming with fewer buttons and need not put off newcomers, depending on the implementation.

* Neural input / Brainwave controller: The mood sensor, as developed by Neurosky is a possibility and could be quite fun: Relax before you cross a narrow bridge. Stuff like that. If you are thinking of actually steering objects with your thoughts, I must disappoint you. There is no way this could be implemented in a competitive videogame console.


CONTROLLER MOCK-UPS

From all controller mock-ups that have been floated on the net, not a single one convinced me. The most likely contender is the one pictured below, though I strongly believe the Cyrillic writing gives this away as a fake, too. It is the only controller we saw that actually fits the console, though, as well as Nintendo´s hints about fewer buttons and the like.









CONCLUSION

Finally, I expect a gyroscopic controller but I also strongly believe in the possibility of some kind of projection method as an optional extra, most likely stereoscopic 3D projection. In particular, I don´t think that goggles would be Nintendo´s weapon of choice. I think that there will be some kind of plate of glass the visuals will appear on, either integrated into the controller or, more likely, the console itself. Haptics, mood sensors, heat or pressure-sensitive pads are all a possibility, but the basic controller can only feature a maximum of two of these. I vote for gyroscopes. Haptics are the second most likely option, I guess.

I expect the release date will be later than some rumours have made us believe. Dev kits went out in June or July. Some developers were still not in the know until August. I know this for a fact. Hence, I don´t see any way the Revolution could launch before autumn 2006. Most likely we are looking at a release between August and December. I expect the console to be priced at $299 because the actual hardware will not need to be very powerful by comparison (given that there will be some kind of 3D projection). An additional stereoscopic projection system would be around $100. It´s certainly a possibility. Now let´s wait and see if I´m right.

182 comments:

MR.Nintendo said...

Great summary Falafelkid, nice read.

In the IGN controller poll, it had the option of "brain wave controller" but did not mention any "visor" or "projector".

This may suggest something.

Wish to see you update after you come back.

Anonymous said...

to me the controller in the way King Dea described it sounds the most plausible.. Gyro, pressure, heat and trackball instead of z-stick. You can use older gamecube controllers for those games that require a z-stick and for 100% backward comp. with the GC.

But we'll see in a week...

Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more with you.


Happy Vacationing

MR.Nintendo said...

Also, I forget to say although it is obvious.

Your blog is the most reliable and the best of all the Revolution news sources. Thanks.

Falafelkid said...

Hi everyone. To Anonym: okay, but would that be revolutionary? Every single feature would be nothing big. In total they would make for a cool controller nevertheless. But I don´t believe in these patchwork solutions. Nintendo will opt for a maximum of two such technologies I expect, one of them being something more out of the ordinary. All these little things would probably make each controller too expensive as well. You want to mass-produce as few of those components as possible to get the price down.

At Mr. Nintendo: Hi. Personally, I don´t think IGN know more than anyone else. True, they knew what the Rev looked like before the unveiling. But I don´t think they saw the controller yet - or know what it is. I think far less people are in the know than most people think. Even EA stated recently (as in a couple of weeks ago) that they didn´t know what Nintendo had on their plate. So IGN wouldn´t have known either. First you tell developers, then the press. That´s what I think.

Falafelkid said...

Oh, and thanks for your comments. Hope you forgive me for going out on a limb with this post. I just got the itch to tell you all what I think, apart from what I know. Because we´ll find out soon anyway.

Erwin said...

Thanks for posting Falafel :) Been a great site while waiting for rev :)

Anonymous said...

The wait is not over yet, however, thanks for the good work Falafelkid.

Anonymous said...

good job man... enjoy your vacation...

donconsolero said...

Nobody said that there will be fewer buttons!!
Itawa (or was it Myamoto?) just said, that he thinks that today's controllers are too complicated and when a non-gamer sees a controller he thinks "Oh! So many buttons, so many sticks, this is too complicated!".
That's it! Nobody said that there will be fewer buttons!

Viola said...

Well, I'll make a guess too. I think Nintendo has developed a really fast wi-fi technology, so they can send real time content wirelessly a controller with some kind of oled screen.

Someone from Square-Enix already told that Nintendo was blurring the line between consoles and portables with Revolution.

Now imagine a portable console, with batteries, that you could put on your backpack and share a game with some friends with theirs revo controllers. And that stand could be a docking station too, so you can easily connect the Revolution in your home rig.

Like the DS it would not be that revolutionary, but it would surely change the paradigm, and the way we play video-games.

That's my bet, maybe with gyro's on the mix, but let's see.

PS: Those are not my ideas. It's just a collage of ideas I've found on the net.

Anonymous said...

reading up on ur site has been great, what are you gona do with the blog after the revolution has been revealed? it would be sad to see it shut down

Anonymous said...

http://news.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=9130

Again...

I believe.

tim said...

Falafelkid,

I'm poster #2, the anon one. While none of these functions are revolutionary "an sich" (although not done before) - if implemented well it could provide gamers with a revolutionary game experience. Didn't Miyamoto say something about how great it would be to grab the master sword yourself? And the heat/cold thing is less expensive than you might think - and it would give an original experience.

Personally I think the projector/visor/whatever idea is too far fetched. I'm willing to believe that nintendo is doing heavy research on that field, maybe for the follow up to the game boy (remember the "ds is not gameboy followup" comments from nintendo) in a way to release something like that post 2006 that could re-invent portable gaming (once again) and make for an excellent peripheral for the revolution - but at this moment I doubt it.

I'm more inclined to believe that the revolution comes from the experience:
Controller: has gyro for better camera movement, pressure for whoknowswhat, heat for a closer involvement with the game, and trackball for better RTS/FPS controls.

Another revolutionary part comes from the dev software and architecture - people who could create snes games, or N64 games but who have more problem with todays tech could be able to develop games for this platform - it would provide to be easier for 2D gaming for example etc - also not going multicore will mean lower development costs and easier ports. I think they will have a lower spec CPU, but a slightly better videochip.

Also, the revolution can play 5 generations of games (nes, snes, n64, gamecube, revolution) so the controller should be able to handle all of those as well.

Another extra would be the revolutions interaction with the DS - being able to download NES and SNES games to your DS, plus using the revolution as a "server" for game demos on the DS. I think nintendo will make even more use of the DS - REVO combination then it ever did with the advance - gamecube combo.


So is this all the big revolution? I don't know - but it sure would be leaps ahead of the competition in a whole, although each and every one of these things are easy to do and use simple and current technology (something nintendo almost always did in the past - up until and including the DS) - and that might be what makes their console the most revolutionary of the bunch.

Or put otherwise: i don't have a clue : )

Jay said...

Thank you sir, you have provided us with a most excellent collective of rumours and news sources for the pre-Revolution months. i, and probably most people here salute you on such a wonderful site.

i wait with patience, just over 2 days left is it? i'll be up all night just reading the drippings of echoed whispers from TGS.

Jacob said...

What if it won't?

The whole revealing is so far just a rumor. Until recently we were all joking that Nintendo wouldn't release Twilight Princess at the 360 launch because it would make too much sense (It wouldn't I know, the game needs the extra time!). Wouldn't it make too much sense as well to reveal the controller?

I'm just scared, because it's been such a good week so far for me. It would be awesoome to end it with a new console that happens to be revolutionary.

Of course, I doub't Iwata needs 50 minutes to talk about some little aspect of gaming or his future visions. 50 minutes are all he needs to reveal the NR.

Anonymous said...

Two high intensity bright screens, integrated wireless, audio, on-board CPU for decompression, 3D graphics capability, battery life for 8-10 hours of play, and lightweight. Integrated gyroscopes that tilt the world as things are re-oriented.

Have I described the DS or a ***Visor***?

(A DS, with Gameboy Micro screens, and a Yoshi Topsy-Turvy cart installed)

Try putting the DS on your head. It's light and has good battery life.

The DS, and the Gameboy Micro, seem to me to be a hint that a "visor" is a possibility. It could handle some portion of the graphics processing in the game. A DS is not expensive.

I'm not sure people are ready for the visor, but I am. There's just something amazing about 3D stereoscopic images (e.g. from Magic Eye books) that look fantastic.

-P

Anonymous said...

Oh -- and couple that with the force feedback mentioned in the article linked below -- this equals a total count of 2, agreeing with falafelkid's idea that they might only use 2 features.

(AIST develops force feedback...)

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050413/103707/?ST=english

sssd said...

as you know i'm along time reader of your blog. However, i still don't think Nintendo is going to go with AR or VR. I just don't see it fitting with their "all inclusive gaming" manifesto. For example, my non-gamer wife would be extremely put off by something like that. I would imagine the same would apply to many other casual/non-gamers.

So, I don't see that as unlikely from a technological or financial point of view, but purely a philosophical.

Also, I imagine the price point will be $199 based on precedance more than anything else. As for specific technologies in the system, I don't know. But i see it being more interactive a la the DS.

Finally, I think you're dead on when it comes to the release date. With Zelda being delayed, there's just no way it's dropping before Q3.

Good job on the blog, I hope you keep it around even after we all know about the rev.

Darth Link said...

I just want to say something about falafel's response about Dea's concept of the controller. Think about the DS. Tell me one DS feature that is innovative in genera. Touchscreen - Palms. Mic - cellphones. Dual Screen - Game and Watch. It's the combination of all the features in a gaming experience that make the DS innovative.

I think, if King Dea is for real, that his version of the controller is the most accurate of all. Heck, I wouldn't even call it a mock up. I repeat, if he's for real.

Falafelkid, have a great vacation and may you return safe and well. I just have a question. You won't be there when Iwata delivers his speech? You won't even follow it online?

Anonymous said...

I don't really agree with you on most of that, but you have done an AMAZING job on this blog, and are certainly entitled to your opinion (which is more knowledgable than almost everyone else's). Have a fun and happy life.

MCHammer said...

If it requires Gamecube controllers to play the old games, thats a major turn-off for many people. Those who didn't buy a Gamecube would have to go find Gamecube controllers if they wanted to play any retro games. And I believe Reggie said the Revo controller would be able to play the old games. I'm quite scared of whatever Nintendo has in the works, because if its a colossal Virtual Boy style failure, it won't be a nice gen for Nintendo fans :(

Anonymous said...

It says at spong that the gamecube contoller is going to be the main controller and the revo controller is going to be the optional controller, that pisses me off lets hope its not true

http://spong.com/detail/news.asp?mode=news&type=n&cid=&pid=&vid=&prid=9130&n=Revolution+Controller+showing+confirmed+&

disrupter006 said...

I really think they should just take off the GC ports all together. If the black controller is a fact, then we won't need them. I'm not big on visors either. I have a hard time agreeing with alot of what you are saying but I respect the time you spent and I do think you and Osaka are among the most reliable blogs on here.

I would also like to add, I do not believe your comment on the console being barely more powerful than the gamecube. Nintendo will NOT enter the next generation with a Console that is 10x less powerful than its competitors.

I understand their position on graphics, but if they did go through with subpar graphics, it will be the end for Nintendo. Sure, you guys on here don't care and will flame me for this (because you are avid fanboys like myself) but the casual gamer needs to also be attracted to the console.

Anonymous said...

thats true graphics are the #1 thing that attract gamers, becuase most ppl do judge books by thier cover

Anonymous said...

You will need the gc controller ports for your donkey konga sessions or just to plug in you logitech wheel which you purchased for the ngc.
Also I think that VR stuff is just too far away, it's like someone said before, Nintendo wants to get the people who usually don't touch consoles etc because they think its too complicated.. but if those people see a VR device or something like that.. at least I'm sure my girlfriend would never touch that.

I think the Revolution will be a biiig letdown for many people who read forums and blogs etc because o fall the hype around it. No matter what Nintendo comes up with, I'm sure the dissappointment and trolling will thrive in the forums.

I'm expecting a good online system for the Rev, with a steam like service to re-download already purchased games and for example coupons to download the old Mario games when you buy Mario Revolution. I also hope very much that the pricing for downloading old games will be good.. not 10 Euro for a N64 and 5 Euro for a NES game or shit like that.
Graphical wise I don't expect much more than the short Metroid trailer from E3. No fotorealistic graphics etc, I got no believe in all the cube mapping "specialists" on the boards who claim this would produce ps3 killer graphics for low cost.

What remains is the controller.. I just hope that it won't be only oLEDs which will display the different buttons of the different consoles or for example in Zelda a boomerang symbol at the top button etc. + some gyro stuff.
I hope it's gyro + that new force feedback stuff which was rumored a while ago + a trackball as th c-stick + something really clever which no one has thought of so far + some vmu kind of thing. :)
Maybe friday will be the day that all is going to be revealed.. I don't know. Of course there will be hate everywhere after the announcement but nontheless it was fun speculating and read about all that kind of ideas, as well as it was fun to read this blog which always was the only blog I added to my favourites. So have a nice vacation and don't forget to update this site when u're back! :)

Anonymous said...

Hey I was trying to contact Falafelkid, but could not find an email so I thought I would just post it here. I just recently headed over to ign cube to see if there were any updates. The main article on the page was about the Revolution FAQ with a subtitle indicating that there were updates. I looked and the only thing I could find that I did not remember reading before was this.

Further, Revolution's controller will very likely make use of motion-sensing technology. Leaked documentation shows that players may be able to twist and turn the device in order to twist and turn objects and characters in Revolution games. Nintendo has dabbled in this type of technology in the handheld sector with such games as Kirby Tilt 'N Tumble.

I did not see any articles about this new "leaked documenation" nor do I remember ever seeing anything about it. I just thought Falafelkid might know what documentation they are refering too. This can be found on page 2 of ign's Revolution FAQ.

Anonymous said...

Check you ign now, they have updated with a TGS faq, saying that Iwata will indeed talk about revolution, and talk about the controller, but whether he will show the controller is still unknown.

Anonymous said...

Matt also said theres a good chance we won't see any Revolution games at the keynote either.

Anonymous said...

There is one good reason that Nintendo is NOT producing a helmet or any VR stereoscopic 3D...

The are aiming at casual gamers of all ages. They also love social gaming.

Due to a VERY common disability i am unable to use stereoscopic visors. So are young kids and many older people. So using one cuts their player base a lot.

Then, we get onto social gaming, there is no way that a visor would be very affordable, so its unlikely many people could play multiplayer. Also social gaming comes from watching people play too. How can you watch people play when they are using a visor? You cant. Thats why i know the rev has nothing to do with stereoscopic vision.

On the other hand it MAY be a VR style glove (eg with gyro and feedback)that allows you to hold item in a game, and touch items in a game. This would truly totally revolutionize games, but would also mark a huge step in technology, which means its unlikely. But still possible.

Also keep in mind that no matter what the new controller is, this console has to run old games, so the hardware will be nothing unique. it will be a normal games console inside, but the way you interact with some games will be new.

I have no idea what the rev controller will be, but since the beginning ive been 100% sure it will contain a gyro.

I was also keen on AR, but you must understand that AR relies on 'placeholder' physical objects, as well as objects ontop of the placeholder. This limits the size of the playing area and also requires you to have physical things in your home. This is not going to happen. look at japan as a rule, consoles cannot be big, they cannot clutter everything up. having your little mario play in your one room apartment, where you can only fit a 1foot placeholder is no fun at all!


So this has nothing to do with stereoscopic vision ( virtual boy also helps this argument) and it has nothing to do with AR. Take my word for this, if Nintendo do use these two methods, then they are going down the toilet fast.

I have much deeper theories on what the re is, and i can rule out an awful lot that has been talked about, but i doubt people want to hear me out.

Anyway, good work on the blog, it was fun reading.

- (gmail) Johnpenny@

Kevin said...

Awesome writeup and as usual I agree. I sincerely hope that the ON or some similar idea really does come to life. TGS is in less then 48 hours. Lets hope the Revolution we all want will be delivered.

Anonymous said...

I've been following your blog since E3. Its great to finally hear your Revolution predictions. I would like to add my own theories into the mix.

First, I believe the Rev will definitely be portable in one way or another. Yoichi Wada:

"The Revolution may embody a new platform beyond a portable or console"

The words "portable" and "console" both refer to portability, they're just on opposite sides of the spectrum. The Rev will be a hybrid of portable and console. This suggests that the Rev will necessarily need an alternative display device. What that is, I have no clue.

I also believe that the controller and the interface will be separate things. I think the Rev console will have a camera, hiding behind the front flap, that can track user movement to a limited extent. Don't think EyeToy, think GameTrack. That is, left hand on the controller, right hand for object manipulation. This would explain why the Rev is tilted back (for the camera) and would also explain the "DS like" comment. Might also explain the Manebito camera that Nintendo was working on:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/06/09/news_6100299.html

As to the controller itself, I guess it could be anything.

Well...this is the end of an era. I will miss all the speculation. It really has been fun. Your site has been a staple of my online life for months...thank you falafelkid! I hope you continue to post after all of this is over, you have a lot of fans out there. Cheers.

Marius said...

Nice summary, although I'm quite surprised that you return to Nintendo ON.

I still don't believe that it is genuine.

And to summarize my other revo expectations:

- No expensive controller stuff.
- Gyroscopic control thingies for sure
- The stand is just that. Remember the PS2 stand?
- NO (no!) way Nintendo will make the Revo playable only with a stereoscopic headset or smth.

However, I love surprises. :)

Have a nice vacation, Falafelkid

Anonymous said...

I stumbled upon something quite interesting on another board, if this turns out to be the real deal:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9396/25338415os.jpg


It's believed to show the menu system in Nintendo Revolution, and I must say I really really like it.. hopefully it's true, but I can't help but be a bit doubtful at this point. In some ways this resembles the familiar Nintendo style, but somehow not quite.. hmmm:/ Then again, I would've never expected Nintendo's console to look the way Revolution did when they unveiled it, so who knows.. anyway, make of it what you will. Personally I can't wait till TGS.

NINTENDO! We need more info, NOW!!!

Anonymous said...

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9396/25338415os.jpg

Here's the link once more, the last one didn't seem to work..

If you're still having problems, first copy this to your location bar:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9396/

THEN add this to it, with no spaces:

25338415os.jpg


Hopefully it's working now..

tim said...

It looks quite genuine. First image of revolution footage that I tend to believe.

Sylver said...

If that is real than look at the bottom of the display... it has a little black controller... we cant see it all, but it kinda looks like the Xbox controler (xbox, not 360)...

But i doubt it is real, as the man-background border line seems wierd... indicating that photoshop may be at bay. oh, and everything on the background is blurred (motion blur) and it may be because of the lighting, but the man seems far less blurred

Derek said...

Nintendo On...Not convinced it's a fake?

Groan...

I thought we burried this a long time ago.

tim said...

Yeah, upon closer inspection the picture has some flaws. Also "nintendo 2005" isn't very likely to appear on it - it should mention 2006, no?

Anonymous said...

The picture looks like a real photo of a real projection. Look at the light switch for confirmation that it is all blurry. The blur also lends to the idea of a quick sneaky photo being taken in a dark room.

I think Nintendo 2005 is the publishing date of the game featured on the page. So it makes sense for a demo.

The time seems a little unlikely.. 14:24 PM?? Nintendo dont normally make such basic errors in their demos.

Over all that screen makes sense for the revo menu. Who would take the time to design that, such a mundane thing, project it, pose and photograph it?

And lets hope to god the revo controller does not look like the shape on the pic. argh!

Red Bull and Vodka said...

My 'prediction' for one of the features of the controller - It will monitor your pulse and your body temperature and change the game accordingly. Just like the Gameboy Advance's ability to connect to the GameCube, and the L & R trigger 'click', it will be a feature that sounds great but is used well by only a few developers.

emever said...

We need the link to see the keynote speech of Iwata. Please, let's help together! We must find that link and see that show!!! HELP!!!

tim said...

IGN announced they'd put it online right afterwards, if that's any help.

Anonymous said...

the date on the picture in 8/19/2005 the same day as the Games Convention in Germany, so maybe it's real

Darkenedjib said...

IGN aren't having a live video stream at the TGS, but they're gonna post videos and pictures shortly after the speech. Does anyone know where it could be viewed live?

Darkenedjib said...

Btw, referring to the pic (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9396/25338415os.jpg)..
It's a fake, been proved. Apparantly if sometihng is displaying in 24 hours time the PM at the end isn't necessary, an unlikely mistake by Nintendo...

Btw it was busted at s12.invisionfree.com/Digital_Share/index.php?act=idx
Please check out the forum :).

Anonymous said...

lol seriousgamer says it real...hahaha

and he also says he'll haev soem big news 2marrow....wont everyone? lol

Anonymous said...

All the controllers you have seen are fake.Everybody knows that the real controller is unveiled tommorrow.Keep posting them,because they are hilarius

Regnil of the sky said...

It's been one heck of a ride, thanks Falafelkid

Anonymous said...

everyone check this out

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/308/e3055dl.jpg

sssd said...

awesome. could that possibly be the final controller mock-up? it's really the end of an era.

so long revolution controller mock-ups. you'll be missed.

/salute.

Anonymous said...

img360.imageshack.us/img360/308/e3055dl.jpg
i hope that this is the controller it looks like it would feel great in your hands

huangsho said...

caray!!!, aparte de sorprenderme todo lo que pones, lo que me causa más intriga es que digas que el 16 es un día festivo para ti también y lo que sé es que nosotros los mexicanos somos los únicos que tenemos el día 16 marcado como festivo.

bueno solo es un comentario

Nomadx469 said...

this might give "king dea" some credit

I mean, after all he did the first drawing of this controller

Darkenedjib said...

"http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/308/e3055dl.jpg"

That's the most realistic controller mockup I've seen, plausible too...

emever said...

TRY TO FIN A LINK FOR THE TONIGHT CONFERENCE!!! FIND IT!!!

Anonymous said...

Darkenedjib, not to nit pick but i pointed out that the time was incorrect shortly after it was posted. Scroll up.

Anonymous said...

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8229/nintendopic7ey.jpg

Anonymous said...

Guys! I think GameSpot is the best source will have so far. So I'm waitng and see what they will put up...enjoy!

oh btw Falafelkid, thank you very much for a very nice/good/exellent NinRev-blogg!!

I my self for the most past of my mid adult live (I'm 30) have stop playing games like I used to do when I first started with Mario. (8-bit Famicom)But neverless I've continue to follow my company of love (Nintendo) and I'm happy that many people are still believing in them and mostly feel and/or understand what they stand for.

And again thank you. It have been a pleasure to be around your blogg and all thoughts that sorrunding in it.

//Madoxsan

The Watcher said...

@Darkenedjib

No, the pic of Revolution´s Online Interface at the unofficial presentation at the Games Convention is not a fake.

Marius said...

I found something... more presentation pics - haven't seen them anywhere else on the web so far...

Go to http://www.flickr.com/photos/93681634@N00/36155543/ and have a look at this and the following two pics.
These are genuine digicam pics, they also got their EXIF info! From the EXIF you can see that they were taken on 8/18/05 at 14:19, exactly 24h before Blushu.
And if you fire up the brightness of the pic, you can see lights and stuff hanging from the ceiling - this seems to be a genuine pic from some conference or presentation.
Coincedence?

However, the graphic better is just a tech demo for TEH GREAT REVOLUTION FEATURES... otherwise, ... bah. :P

The Watcher said...

@fihu

The pics you´ve mentioned are showing an mini-game that could be played at Nintendo´s booth on the Games Convention. They have nothing to do with Revolution.

Anonymous said...

Its going to be huge. 7 hours anymore to speech. Cant wait.

And i say that longest mock-up was definatly the russian one.

Whatever it is some people arent happy. But i shall be. why? cos i want revolution for other options too. :)
I cant wait to wake up tommorow!


-iceleaf

Marius said...

@The Watcher: Thanks for clearing that up.

Khesrau Behroz said...

Top 40 Fakes and Mock-Ups:
http://www.grindthatauthority.de/?p=144

Sorry for the ad ;)

Darkenedjib said...

@ anonymous: Argh, sorry about that, I didn't read all the posts before replying -_-

Sylver said...

has anyone found a live stream yet? getting closer, about 5 hours to go... (god, im such a geek/fan-boy :P)

Darkenedjib said...

Less than 4 actually :D

xg_shadow said...

50 more minutes to go................... come one already iwata TALK!!!!

Anonymous said...

In japan TGS has started

i think

Anonymous said...

when will we see a video of iwata 50 minutes talk?

Anonymous said...

am waiting for news but nothing out their

Anonymous said...

if anyone has news post it mad fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

i want my halogram now nintendo!!!!

Anonymous said...

2 hours, 40 minutes to start of speech... watching IGN, Gamespot and gamespy with a falcons eye... anyone got any other website worth looking at?
post news ppl

-sylver

Anonymous said...

hasn't the speech started?

Anonymous said...

no, the countdown on the top of the page was wrong... that was for the start of TGS today... iwata's speech is still a couple away =)

-sylver

xg_shadow said...

WEll I got news, so dont bite me lol, well everything will take like 30 minutes to post everything that iwata says, plus videos and pictures, IWATA TALK!!! i will say happy Revolution!! when time.

Anonymous said...

@ Xg_shadow... WTF

XG_Shadow said...

for the person who put the comment, why you put that message lol? XG is my website and i am the webmaster and almost everywhere i use the username xg_shadow. And ALMOST TIME FOR REVOLUTION

Regnil of the sky said...

It's time

Anonymous said...

I put that message cuz i didnt understand what you where talking about when you said you had info and that you needed 30 min to type cuz the speech hasn't even started yet.

Anonymous said...

*were not where lol sry

XG_Shadow said...

Yep, the dummy counter was set wrong too.

Zounds said...

lol @ getting the wrong time.

Anonymous said...

What do you personally think/hope it is.

Anonymous said...

a talking dog

Anonymous said...

this

http://www.bized.ac.uk/images/ostrich.jpg

Anonymous said...

hell ya thats what gameing needs!!!!!!!!!!! www.bized.ac.uk/images/ostrich.jpg

Anonymous said...

I kinda wish it would be a pair of gloves.Think about it, gloves with gyros,you could sit in your chair and you your TV as a giant touch screen.It just would work good for games such as mario or zelda for movement.

Anonymous said...

i hate waiting 10 hours on the pc just to see one pic, nintendo better have something really cool to show

Anonymous said...

i like this controller, but i guess i'm not thinking big

img360.imageshack.us/img360/308/e3055dl.jpg

Anonymous said...

what does everyone else want out of the controller?

Anonymous said...

good stuff

Sylver said...

10 mins to go...i hope its (as in something like) the russian mock up

Anonymous said...

trust me you will be surprised,i know i was

Anonymous said...

Its 10!!! O EM GE!!!

Anonymous said...

Any feeds up?? there must be one!??..

Sylver said...

IGN has page up... just keep refreshing =) its close dudes, its close

sssd said...

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651320p1.html

here's the ign page

Anonymous said...

ign has started go to ign cube

Anonymous said...

whats a fanicom mini? is it the new name for revoultion?

Anonymous said...

a series of games for GBA/SP... they even had a special gba for it (normal, just w/ diffrent colors)

-sylver

Anonymous said...

wow so far nothign about the revoultion, only ds, fanicom mini, and mirco..... i think my hopes r gona be let down

Anonymous said...

"Iwata begins topic on how to build game population going forward."

the goal of rev... its close, i can almost smell it
i bet the damn controller is in his pocket!

-sylver

Anonymous said...

no i dont think he wil say much if anythign about the rev i think its goan be all about the mini,ds, and wi-fi or osmthing,a dn then at the end hes just gona be like o and revoultion news will coem later

Anonymous said...

dont say that... you'll break my poor feint heart

-sylver

Anonymous said...

they better show the dam controller or someone is going to die

Anonymous said...

HOYL SHIT

http://boards.ign.com/Revolution_Lobby/b8270/98843998/p1

this guys updating faster than ign is go there!! they are showign the controller right now!!! im glad iw as WRONG

OMGOMGOMGOGMGOMGOMGOGM

Anonymous said...

IGN says he just unveiled it. AThey'll have screenshots in 15 minutes.

Anonymous said...

i can't see it but their showing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

im going to chew my fingures off in 7 min if they dont show me the controler

Anonymous said...

lol

Anonymous said...

lmao its a 2 handed controller??? hhahaha

Anonymous said...

o never mind i gues he's just holding the controller in 1 hand..*slaps self in face*

Anonymous said...

a pictuers UP!!!

Anonymous said...

were do you have screen shot???

-sylver

Anonymous said...

can anyone tell me what the hell am i looking at

Anonymous said...

ign has it

Anonymous said...

wow...what the hell is this...that doesnt make me want to play..but it proly would make my grandma want to

Anonymous said...

Picture:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651320/live-from-tgs-iwatas-keynote-20050915074553984.jpg

Anonymous said...

go it

-sylver

Anonymous said...

1ups got alot here

http://gamecube.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143782

Anonymous said...

it looks like that dam atrai controller

Anonymous said...

Iwata has declared that Nintendo has built a bigger population through the GameBoy Micro, Famicom Mini, and teh Nintendo DS. He also mentioned Mario's recent birthday, and promised more shipments for the micro. Stay tuned!

Iwata talks about Nintendogs, saying it sold one million units in Japan.

Satoru Iwata starts talking about how to build a game population going into the future.

Iwata briefly mentions touch games, such as Brain Training and Nintendogs.

60% of Nintendogs buyers purchased a Nintendo DS as well.


Iwata says he will reveal much more on next-generation (Revolution) Wi-Fi this October.

Revolution controller can detect where the controller is pointing on screen and where it is in the room.

Controller is wireless.

"In the FPS games it can control the aiming and moving, it will set a new standard"

Revolution controller shown to public at TGS.

Pictures available soon

Iwata says controller is as easy to use as TV remote.

Controller look like it was designed by Apple. Has white, sleek futuristic design, like a futuristic remote. Controller is held in one hand.

Anonymous said...

http://gamecube.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143782

pix and everthing you need here

Anonymous said...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/15/news_6133335.html

some good stuff here

Anonymous said...

when it rains it poors!!!!!!!!!!

Sylver said...

not going to comment much before i get to use it. i've got a good feeling, but i real must get hands on time with it. so i guess real comments will only come with the rev's lauch.

falafelkid - great blog, thx for having the masses wait with you :)

Anonymous said...

Wow...just wow!!!!!

I know a lot of people are worried about the difficulty of porting traditional console games to the Rev. But with the "pointer's" mouse like features, I expect it will be very easy for PC games to be ported to the Rev. Neither Microsoft nor Sony will be able to do this. And don't forget, the GC ports are always there just in case. Looking at it this way, perhaps there will be more developers making games for the Rev than any other console.

The two handed controller was one of the first controller theories that I completely fell in love with, and it has now become a reality. This is a bold move by Nintendo. After the shock wares off, I think it will become obvious to the public that the pointer is truly a masterpeice. It's innovative, ingenious, and after giving it some hours to sink in, I don't think I would want the controller any other way.

Viva la Revolution!

Raphael said...

Hard to imagine what`s possible.

I hope this concept fits in complex games.


It`s realy revolutionary!!!

Anonymous said...

I realize that if one night should go without rumor and speculation...it should be tonight. But I just have to say it:

Why weren't any games shown? I believe it was Miyamoto who said that they wanted to show off the controller and the games as a package.

Logically, you might think Nintendo hasn't revealed the games for strategic reasons...that is, to counter the XBox 360 release, or perhaps steal the show at E3 2006, etc.

However, since Nintendo has already played the 'controller card,' why would Nintendo withold in-game pics for months and months only later to release a system with sub-par graphics? It simply doesn't make sense.

Which leads to only three conclusions:

(1) Revolution's graphics are on par or superior to Xbox360's graphics.

(2) There is a visor or some other alternative display device to later be revealed as an attachment.

(3) There are still more revolutionary aspects of the system that haven't been disclosed as of yet.

You can argue that Nintendo hasn't always made the smartest moves, but barring that scenario, I believe there is still another piece of the puzzle missing. Having said that, I'm very excited about the controller and will be quite giddy without more revolutions.

Marius said...

Haha, we were all wrong.

tim said...

I'm certainly impressed and surprised at the same time.

I've been thinking up possibilities for this in the last ten minutes, that truly excite me, so I'm sure nintendo has done the same...

Anonymous said...

The controller is just damn awesome. I'm loving it right now. Just had some ideas that I haven't heard people say much about yet:

Miyamoto, in his radio interview, talked about pushing interactivity to the max. With the new controller, it would be very easy to make a world where objects can picked up, examined, thrown, etc. That is, the world could be endlessly interactive, limited only by processing power. Think of something like Shenmue for instance. Any and every object could be manipulated. How would this work? Simple, the controller would be your virtual hand. For example:

Left hand: analog stick for character movement.

Right hand: remote control "pointer" as virtual hand.

When you pass your hand over an object that can be manipulated, just as in RE4 and many other games, the A button will be context sensitive. For example, A button to pick up object, A button to flip switch, A button to turn door knob, etc. Once in hand, it will be as if the controller is the object. That is, any movements you make with the controller will be replicated on screen by the object. Really, the possibilites are endless. While the controller may be somewhat limited in certain genres, by and large, this thing is extremely versatile, and is very likely to generate many more genres, and even genre-less games, that it just simply won't matter.

Man, I'm psyched. I can't believe this thing. As more time goes by, people will begin to see the wonders of this controller, and it will take the industry by storm. Congratulations Nintendo!

Anonymous said...

hahahahaah...you really took me by surprise, Nintendo!

a remote? lol :)

I expected, or more like - strongly wanted it to be more like what Ninja from this forum posted below:

www.nordichardware.com/forum
/this-forum-is-lucky-vt2584.html

indeed it looked very alike the officall one, although I had opped for a touch sensetive tablet much like this one:

Note: its a demo in quicktime

http://tactiva.com
/tactadrawmovielarge.html


neverless, I was not that dissapointed, eventhough I had hope that the "Revolution" part would include addtional moving sencors much like the ones used, in shame and all, those of motion capture's currently regulary used by the production professinals in movie and the game industry. but only to be attached to to both arms and legs.

I had also hoped that along with these things (if its even possible)that game players would "feel" a force, gravity, when playing, ehem... Kid Icarus. He/she would feel it between lifting the bow and aim. (feeling the weight of the bow when taking an attack position). when drawing the string, he/she would also feel the the distance/force feedback between the shaft (the Rev remote?) and the string, the extra control device, yet to surface - along with many like it.

And along with many other. I thought a possitvly 3d projection to be seen. either as a bundle to the Rev or as a uppgrade within 2-3 years from now. In my opinion. I think a better realism of interactivity if you can see/play game from a 3rd person perspective like in some strategy role playing game such as Orge Battle and Zelda, or simple put, when playing a character from disstance.
Here you would see and feel the enviroment and yet easily navigate.


well well...let see what the truly Big N have in for us next October. :D

//M

Anonymous said...

...and think what that kind of interactivity will bring if you can feel when you swing the leather whip to grap a something on the roof to take you to another place, in Castlevania!

//M

Red Bull and Vodka said...

Video feed and copy of the slide show for his N's keynote on the link below;

http://www.irwebcasting.com/050916/03/ff3672f7df/main/index_hi.htm

Anonymous said...

So, all you motherfuckers who believed Seriousgamer or whatever his idiot name was - how do you feel now? Hmm? TOLD YOU HE DIDN'T KNOW SHIT. You foolish fucks, so easily suckered in....

Anonymous said...

Ha the comtroller is awsome!Im gonna ram that fucker up my girlfriends cunt.Seriously 1 i am gonna do that and 2 nintendo owns everyone cuz they kick A$$ microman and sony aint got a chance.

Anonymous said...

NINTENDO OWNS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous said...

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i new that I could trust you ninty i have been with you since nes days all thru vb and toda RRREEEVVVOOOLLLUUUTTTIIIOOONNN!!!!!!
i WEPT WHEN I SAW THAT THAT BEAUTIFUL THING FROM HEAVENS HANDS AMEN

^

Anonymous said...

Nintendo is just putting up a smoke screen to show the real controller at e3 06 see this way sony will copy them and get laughed at when they show the visor and gloves at e3 06
believe...
a revolution is coming...
are you ready to revolt?


KingofGamers

huangsho said...

you didn't know what will be the controler, you fake

sssd said...

haha poor seriousgamer doesn't know what to do anymore. it's so obvious how freaking wrong he was, and yet he continues to keep trying. it's probably the most pathetic thing i've ever seen. and i've seen trekkies.

Anonymous said...

Actually they are going to keep that the controller and it is better then gloves"gloves would be harder to move around with.There will be a visor shown at e3 06 ninty said themselves that there are more surprises to come.
why dont you visit my blog @ http://seriousgamer007.blogspot.com/ and see for yourself what the truth is.
believe...
a revolution is coming...
are you ready to revolt?

KingofGamers

Anonymous said...

just give it up already.

Anonymous said...

That ass of a SeriousGamer 007 has now suddenly taken the Xbox 360's side.. What an asshole.. I hate those stupid wannabe insiders/liars !!!!

Nomadx469 said...

scew all this, let find sg007 and bill ans alard ans chop their weeners off

Anonymous said...

The more I think about it, the more I love it.

Anonymous said...

Could you get on AIM sometime? I want to ask you a question. ^_^

Anonymous said...

Fuck SeriousGamer007,he is...I cant even discribe ohhhh HOLY FUCK FUCK FUCK I WILL KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

anyway osoko claims he got it right.What do you think?



KingofGamers

Thunder Emperor said...

well osaka did post 30 mins before the specch that the controller will be of two parts. so at least we know he saw it before hand or someone did and told him.

Anonymous said...

i want more info...and a realse date..and some gamplay videos/screenshots :*(

Anonymous said...

I think it is time to tell the truth,dont you think so?Actually i am pretty disabeled and everyone is so mean to me.Everthing i said i made up cuz i cant cum when i masturbate i used to use my GCN controller to rumble on me acorns.sadly i cant feel anything thats why i wanted the gloves and visor so that way i can feel meself rubing and pumping the controller around my penis and up me anal cavity.When i saw the controller i was dissapointed that i still will not feel any sensations experimenting with me inner child.ohwell back to the drawing board i will find a solution,sry for the lies.

believe...
a revolution will come "someday"...
then i will feel...




LOVE
KingofGamers

Anonymous said...

sry if yo foun the last post offensive in any way.Good news...
I just thought of a new i dea come to me blog immediatly you dont wanna miss me acorns implode

Anonymous said...

P.S.

KingofGamers

Anonymous said...

I told you the truth before anyone else and i dont know why you discredit me as a fake when all that i say is true.the revalation is upon us.qait till you see what we are really planning to blow you away see...the controller is only piece 2 of the puzzle.you will see.



believe...
a revolution is almost here...
you had better be ready to revolt...

KingofGamers

The Watcher said...

@SeriousGamer007

You proved nothing, you know nothing! That´s the only fact! Why don´t you just say that you were wrong with everything you said about Revolution? You know as good as I do that there will be no Visor. So, please: SHUT UP!!!

disrupter006 said...

I hope you realize that's probably not even seriousgamer007. Why would he post anonomous. If its really you, say it on your blog.

Anonymous said...

ok read this:

Jim Merrick = Senior Director of Marketing Nintendo Europe

Interview


Eurogamer.net :
Is what we saw today (controller) the finished product, then?


Jim Merrick:
It's very nearly finished. We've got time to make a few refinements, but fundamentally it's complete.

Eurogamer.net :
How come you didn't show off any games today?

Jim Merrick:
We went to great pains not to show the software today because we didn't want to detract from what we are trying to show. We're talking about a fundamental change to how we see games and how we play games, and we didn't want to get hung up on polygon counts and so on.

Our official launch date is still 2006, and before we show the software, we want to make sure it's at a stage where you can understand exactly how it's going to work with the freehand-style controller - by actually playing the games.

--

hmmm...it looks like we might be able to used the "Remote controller" for the new Zelda! (??)

How come?

1. They delay Zelda?

2. Why I think it is? Well, if we just skipp the business strategy part for amoment. Would it be tacticly ideal to have us, the game players to learn how to use the "Remote", then be comfortable enough to take on the Revolution.

Of course It might not be possible in business strategy point of view. ^^*

But it would be cool to have that thingy in hand when the last Zelda on GC arrives!

Btw, didn't they mentioned about Rev being used along with a monitor?

Monitor? A pc LCD/CRT monitor? Or a 3D projection monitor? :D~

hehe...that would be something!

//M



oh btw:
Tthe link to the interview:

http://www.aussie-nintendo.com
/content/news_archives/rev.
php?subaction=showfull&id=
1126974916&archive=&start_from=
&ucat=4&

Anonymous said...

I forgot to paste this importan part of the interview:

Eurogamer:
Is the freehand-style controller your trump card, or have we got more exciting stuff to look forward to?

Jim Merrick:
Let's just say we have more surprises in store.


weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee~ !!!

Anonymous said...

Nintendo not showing us game footage so that we don't "get hung up on polygon counts and so on," could just mean that the revolution may not be on par with the xbox 360 and that they dont want people to pay more attention to that than the new way of gaming couldnt it?

Or i guess it could be that the graphics arent polished enough for them to make a good 1st impression, im hoping for this to be the real reason...

Anonymous said...

and did anyone notice how the ign mock up shell looks alot like that blurred controller taht was posted on this blog down near the bottom?

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1480/1168/1600/BlurryController.jpg

Anonymous said...

lol seems like everyones emailing seriousgamer and now they made him cry HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous said...

...

Anonymous said...

hey, does anyone have a link to an anonymous email box.I wanna email serious and give him a piece of my mind.Thx alot

Anonymous said...

seriousgamer's posts are not mature sounding, his claims don't even all fit together, he himself confesses he doesn't know shit over and over again, and yet he still tries to convince people that he is an insider.

Im not gona email SG007 flaming him, im gona sit here and laugh at all posts he makes, he says hes not gona post anything until nintendo takes care of thier nxt big secret, he acts like he knows what the nxt big thing is

This guy has no life

Anonymous said...

look at these how cool would these attactments be?????!?!?

http://www.freewebs.com/mut56/revowheel.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/mut56/revogun.jpg

this just makes me think of all the possibilities, im finally startign to love this controller

and if u tihnk attactments would be too expensive, think about it since nintendo revoultion games r supposed ot be less expensive to create, that means they sell for less, whihc means the game+the addon might be less than the game on a different console

Anonymous said...

When does Falafelkid get back?

Falafelkid said...

Hi everyone. Just got back from Egypt. Will post in half an hour or so.

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